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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and with Chris and

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I said this last week we've had so many

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great guests on the para cast in recent

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months not a clunker in the bunch and

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it's not being an egomaniac and I

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realized some people think if you get

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into this kind of profession you've got

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to be a egomaniac to believe that people

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want to listen to you on the radio and

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that might be true but still I think

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we're doing good shows not because of me

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because of Chris because of all the

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guests that he and I have lined up so

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it's just one after another like last

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week Chris ha Beck who work with Jacques

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fillet on that book wonders in the sky

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he's a level-headed gentleman has his

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feet on the ground doesn't espouse wild

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and wacky and woolly theories and is

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trying to basically figure out what's

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going on and I think that's always been

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a serious problem UFO research we kind

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of like to assume that somebody has the

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answers that maybe the government has

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the answers and the government has the

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answers we don't have to worry about

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having the answers because we can

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persuade them to tell us they tell us we

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don't have to do any work we just see

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ourselves spoon-fed but they seem to

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forget that in this day and age who

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believes the government about anything

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do we believe the government about the

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non-existent or existent political

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scandal of the day do we believe them

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about Ebola about the possibility of

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people becoming sick because of that

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virus do we believe them I don't know I

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know there's a poll out that actually

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said that most people even Republicans

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do believe the government's gonna do

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something because I guess they have no

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choice because anyone can be affected

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even one of them so they have to protect

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themselves well when it comes to the

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government and control issues I think

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that's pretty much it as long as they're

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in control they're happy who always

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bothers me and this

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is slightly political is that we have

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people who say the government has too

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much power and then in certain areas

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they want the government to have power

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you know I'm not just military but in

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other areas

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well well when the government's

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powerless that's when things were really

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start to unravel and get weird what's

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weird is in the case of the Ebola issue

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where people who would ordinarily never

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say the government should do anything if

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the government is dysfunctional they ask

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why can't the government do more well

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well it's gonna get a lot more

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interesting before it gets any more dull

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let's just hope that that interesting is

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not one that causes people to get sick

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yeah yes let's hope I have a friend

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that's headed towards Ethiopia here and

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next one tonight I'm not sure if I'd

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want to be going to Africa right now but

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it could all be just overblown too you

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know media has a way of ratcheting up

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the paranoia and fear so you know if it

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is airborne and aerosolized somehow that

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is definitely a problem what would think

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Ola the issue is here supposedly you

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cannot catch it unless the person who

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has it actually has symptoms right so if

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he doesn't have symptoms or she doesn't

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have symptoms nothing to worry about

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I guess the moral of the story is stay

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away from anyone that's bleeding from

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the eyes and ears and mouth and other

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orifices

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well not that serious they could have a

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fever well that's it you know it's

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interesting here they reported a case of

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Ebola in Spain my son lives in Madrid

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that says Chris ha Becca's

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matter-of-fact and I told my son who was

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a teacher maybe I didn't say this

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seriously maybe he should get a hazmat

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suit you know Kevin we're one of those

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things you know way he goes to class

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he's wearing the hazmat suit and then

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this way he can't be infected that's a

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great way to elicit confidence in your

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students listen I'll worry about you at

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all but why are you wearing that black

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suit well because you know I'm

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obsessive-compulsive or something I know

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well I think if you talk about the

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government and you mentioned the word

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control and attaining and maintaining

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control I think today's guest is going

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to have some pretty interesting thoughts

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on this particular topic especially when

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it comes to the UFO situation in

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question and incursions over missile

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silos and sensitive military

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installations that would be enough to

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give any government official a headache

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even though they claim that there's

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nothing to it nothing to see your folks

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move along I think Robert Salas has a

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little bit more to say on this subject

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then the government would probably be

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comfortable with and I'm looking forward

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to today's show now this is an

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interesting book here it's not a big

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book it's got about 240 pages it's big

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type small size it's Robert Salas has a

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book called unidentified the UFO

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phenomenon but it says it all in the

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subtitle how world governments have

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conspired to conceal humanity's biggest

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secret now what's interesting here is in

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the past you know we'll go to the

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federal government in the US and say

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they're doing it he's talking about

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world governments now imagine world

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governments agreeing on anything okay

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imagine the US Russia Saudi Arabia Iran

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China China I'm you know that's maybe in

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a perfect world but North Korea did I

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mean that's the big question I think

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you're going to ask you about say okay

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we understand the United States in the

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UK and France and Spain and Germany

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maybe less so Russia but there are areas

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in which we work together as much as we

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have problems with the Ukraine right now

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obviously the u.s. Egypt sure Iran not

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so much India yeah

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Pakistan

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and half-and-half but you see what I

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mean if UFOs are what a lot of people

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presume they are extraterrestrial they

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don't concern themselves with our petty

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tribal conflicts or with borders

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separating one country from another that

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to them would not exist they wouldn't

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care about it maybe they've outgrown

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such considerations we go back to the

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wine from John Lennon's song imagine

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imagine there were no countries one of

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the concepts he conveyed also he has

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said imagine no religion which is one

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line I think a lot of people may have

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ignored especially if they're religious

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but the point being here if there are

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are two et no borders no tribal

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conflicts to worry about no country is

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immune so if a secret is to be kept can

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you depend on 200 different countries or

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whatever is in the UN nowadays keeping

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the secret would it be held at the UN

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level but then nobody gets along anyway

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so how do you maintain the secret this

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is going to be something I'm going to be

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asking Robert Salas also one question we

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should all consider here these

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incursions of UFOs near nuclear

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installations and of course we have the

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Robert Hastings book UFOs and nukes

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covering that subject of course Robert

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Salas was involved in the Malmstrom case

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the question is here are we seeing those

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incursions today or is that something

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that goes back to us the 60s and 70s

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what do you think Chris well I think if

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they are occurring I think they're

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they're highly classified and you know

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they exhaust all efforts to keep any

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word of this out of the public realm so

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it wouldn't surprise me in the least I

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think that some of these overflights in

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Kashmir for instance that we've been

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seen on and off over the last few years

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on the you know battle lines of two

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nuclear powers that have been at war

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since the 40s of course India and

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Pakistan over this particular contested

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region there's been a number of

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overflights

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they're so wouldn't surprise me in the

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least if these overflights extend into

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areas where there's missile silos and

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weapons facilities and that sort of

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things so this is something obviously

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that we're gonna have to ask Bob when he

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gets on here also very quickly here

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do they have such incursions in Iran

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maybe that will give us evidence about

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the extent of their nuclear weapons

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program if such a thing exists they deny

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it

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away if you're going to talk about

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whether the government's have guilty

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knowledge about UFO reality Robert Salas

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the book unidentified the UFO phenomenon

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with Jean and Chris you're in the

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Barrett cast first game attack of the

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rock codes and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there's the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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our caste job with gene and Chris on the

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power cast Robert Salas is here his book

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is unidentified the UFO phenomenon

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Robert thanks for joining us on the show

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again it's been several years I think

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yeah it's been a while has that well

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it's great to be back assume you're in

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good health and he's fine we're still

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here good I'm still there Chris I don't

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know but Chris of course sometimes he

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becomes invisible I think that's a

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disease we're kin it working it and

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working it some people think I should be

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invisible but we don't want to go to

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that so Robert I'm gonna ask you the

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obvious question here we've got a

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million-in-one UFO books why did you

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decide to write one well I guess I've

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yeah I guess like all witnesses we feel

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and because I've been at this for 20

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years on 20 years and I've talked to a

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lot of people in this field in various

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countries and of course in the US but

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you know I felt I had something to

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contribute about the phenomenon and and

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and I think I have brought forth some

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some news stories there's a new

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incidents that people probably have

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never heard about so yeah plus my own

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incident which most people had never

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heard about you get involved in putting

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a book like this together and you're

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doing all the research did anything in

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assembling the pages writing everything

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out anything really surprise you

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something maybe you didn't expect oh you

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mean when I was writing it sure well you

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know I gave it a lot of thought you know

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this this this was as you may well know

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I'm writing a book it's just a long

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difficult process and I wanted to make

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sure I hit certain points you know the

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the extreme secrecy in government the

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cover-up which

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yeah that actually if I'm going to point

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to something the cover-up of amounts

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from incidents I think it surprised me

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how evident it was from available

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documentation and available statements

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from some of the parties involved it

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became very self evident let's cut back

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in time a little bit because with a show

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like this we're getting so many new

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listeners all the time they don't know

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the game of inside baseball and they may

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not have heard our 2009 episode with you

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Robert where you were talking about

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Malmstrom our listeners briefly about

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that case and how efforts were made to

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cover up what really happened okay yeah

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1967 March 24th I was on duty as a

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missile launch officer at a place called

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what we called Oscar flight it was it

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just uh basically looked like a

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farmhouse in the middle of a wheat field

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but underground we had a launch control

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center and control of ten nuclear

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missiles these were men man 1 missiles

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each had a warhead of about 800 kiloton

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: and on this particular night first i

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get a call saying that the guards we had

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guards upstairs about six guards so we

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were locked in by the way i and we had

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no video upstairs we were locked in for

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24 hours my commander was Fred in my

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wall and I get the first call and and I

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was on alert status my commander was

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taking that break and the guards

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upstairs say this seems strange lights

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in the sky making strange maneuvers

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flying very fast stopping on a dime

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90-degree turns let me just point out

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here you're being very matter-of-fact

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about it now mm-hmm but it had to really

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freaked out some people when I happened

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oh yeah well this first report I thought

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was unusual because they don't you know

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they they don't joke around in these

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facilities this was no joke they were

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they want to report these lights in the

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sky that's all they call the lights in

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the sky flying around and there weren't

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aircraft and they weren't making any

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noise I kind of dismissed that and then

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about five minutes later they called

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back and this time there are frightened

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they're extremely frightened the guard

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is yelling into the phone you know and

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he just out of control he says he's got

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all the guards up there with her their

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weapons drawn they're looking at this

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glowing red object hovering above the

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front gate and want me to tell them what

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to do next so I of course told him not

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to let anything in the the facility used

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wearer force necessary and then as we as

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I hung up

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was going to tell my commander about

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these calls and that's when the missiles

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started going no-go or disabled they

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were they were unlaunchable while this

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object was still up would you define for

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our listeners who don't know the process

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no-go means if you wanted to launch them

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you couldn't exactly yeah they they were

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unlaunchable and the we had a way of

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querying the system or what the problem

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was and all we got back was for each

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missile separately guidance and control

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system failure it was all the same

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failure mode now one emphasized we did

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lose power

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we had electrical power throughout this

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was an upset of an inertial guidance

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system that we had on the missiles and

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and so that required that the missiles

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be brought back up on line individually

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and that took about 24 hours so the

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missiles were not damaged per se they

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were there was no harm done to the

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missiles

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or the warheads as far as I know but it

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did take 24 hours to bring them back up

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on alert now let's look at the

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technology here we're talking about

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computers in the 1960s right right like

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your smartphone your iPhone your Samsung

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phone today is there thousands of times

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more sophisticated than those computers

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but yeah the question I would have here

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as a devil's advocate question and we're

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running out of time for this segment so

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we'll have another one okay would it

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have been possible for someone to have

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hacked your systems your computer

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systems to make this happen actually

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that's one of the things the Boeing

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investigative team looked at and whether

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or not the computers themselves had been

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tampered with

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now and they that was a negative report

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on that in fact you know I got every

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every of course a lot of sort of report

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from the head of the Boeing team that

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did the investigation for Boeing and

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that was one of the things they looked

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at specifically so no the answer was no

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the computers were not hacked would some

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kind of external radiation like

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electromagnetic radiation caused

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something like this okay I've heard that

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argument before too if some sort of

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electromagnetic field such as let's say

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the Northern Lights the aurora borealis

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it shut down our missiles hit it would

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have affected many other missiles in the

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area you see we had something like 15

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launch control centers like mine in in

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Montana let me just ask more about this

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as we progressed West for service in our

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next segment we have to do a break now

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Robert Robert Salas joining Gina and

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Chris you're in the para cast

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the podcast the gold standard of

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so if we go back to the Malmstrom

591
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:29,110
incident and we have Robert Salas the

592
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:32,170
incident on March 24th 1967 was my 10th

593
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:35,860
birthday this is the birthday present

594
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:37,900
you give to the government Chris why'd

595
00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:42,460
you do it I was in Washington State at

596
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:45,400
the time and didn't have the the magical

597
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:47,920
powers that I have today to affect

598
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,890
missile silos far away so ok so let's

599
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:53,760
look at this here is there any external

600
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,130
radiation or influence of any sort that

601
00:28:03,150 --> 00:27:58,960
you know about Robert that could have

602
00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:03,160
caused this no no absolutely not then or

603
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:06,460
now for that matter see what we had was

604
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:09,790
the capsule was located 60 feet

605
00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:13,120
underground and then each missile had

606
00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:16,060
cabling system which was triply shielded

607
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:19,780
against electromagnetic effects so what

608
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:23,220
what this object did was to send a

609
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,960
specific signal to each of the 10

610
00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:28,480
missiles and by penetrating the earthen

611
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:31,780
concrete and the the cabling system into

612
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:34,150
each missile separately and upset a very

613
00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:37,150
specific piece of the guidance system

614
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:39,880
called a logic coupler and the reason I

615
00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:41,890
noticed is because the the Air Force did

616
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:44,860
send documents to a senator for an

617
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Information Act and one of the documents

618
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:50,770
stated that it was probably the logic

619
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:53,910
coupler that failed from an external

620
00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:57,270
source signal from an external source

621
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:00,550
but since they would have all had to

622
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:02,980
have failed within seconds of each other

623
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:04,870
and they were separate these were not

624
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:07,270
interconnected each missile was not

625
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:09,880
interconnected this was highly highly

626
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:12,280
improbable that's that's an Air Force

627
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,430
statement in an Air Force document and

628
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,710
to clarify here you're assuming that

629
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:19,840
because these UFOs were present at the

630
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:21,900
same time they must have been the cause

631
00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:25,750
yes yes ok if you want to say I'm

632
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:28,660
assuming the missiles went down while

633
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,410
this object was overhead it's kind of

634
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:34,480
hard not to assume that no I just trying

635
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:34,950
to Claire

636
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,809
I hear the other issue here I guess we

637
00:29:43,009 --> 00:29:39,179
want to explore here is did it ever

638
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:43,019
occur to you at any time that maybe this

639
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:45,690
was involving some kind of experiment or

640
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:48,630
test on the part of our government as to

641
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:50,490
what might happen if something caused

642
00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,450
these launch codes to fail yes that did

643
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:57,059
occur to me in fact one of the first

644
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,159
things I asked when I when I was

645
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,200
reported back to Mouse from Air Force

646
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Base the next morning we were relieved

647
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:06,690
and we were ordered back report to our

648
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:08,700
commander the first thing I asked him

649
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:10,769
was it was this some kind of Air Force

650
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:13,919
exercise and he assured me it was not

651
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,480
and in fact we were briefed every time

652
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:20,940
we went on alert for the next two years

653
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:24,570
plus I I went on alert about every third

654
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:27,539
day and we'd go to a briefing room and

655
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,659
they tell us you know any activities

656
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:32,700
that were going on the results of any

657
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,769
investigation etcetera we never heard a

658
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:37,679
word about this after the after the

659
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:40,110
event and if it had been an Air Force

660
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:42,330
exercise we would have gotten some

661
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:46,980
feedback all right what did your leaders

662
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,860
your supervisors the officers there tell

663
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:52,080
you about talking about this they

664
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:55,289
pledged your all the secrecy absolutely

665
00:31:00,799 --> 00:30:58,679
we like I said the day after the

666
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:00,809
incident I would reported the squadron

667
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,809
commanders office they a guy from the AF

668
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:05,399
OSI Force Office of Special

669
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:08,610
Investigations I shoved a paper in our

670
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:12,570
nose and said sign here and basically

671
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:14,970
what we signed a document that stated we

672
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:17,130
were never to talk about this to anyone

673
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:18,289
ever

674
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:21,179
bleeding our spouses anybody in the Air

675
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:26,010
Force of course no civilian nobody and

676
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:28,049
there were heavy penalties of course if

677
00:31:32,299 --> 00:31:30,090
we did of course now you're talking

678
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,309
about has anyone come to you and said

679
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:35,279
Robert what do you think you're doing no

680
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:35,850
they haven't

681
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:40,830
the reason is in 1994 I was out of the

682
00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:45,659
Air Force I had resigned in 1971 94 I

683
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,590
was

684
00:31:49,899 --> 00:31:49,020
in Seattle going through a bookstore and

685
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:49,909
it picked up

686
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:52,770
Timothy goods book called above top

687
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,890
secret if you turn to page 301 on that

688
00:32:00,890 --> 00:31:58,020
book you see a short paragraph that

689
00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:00,900
talks about missiles going down in

690
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,400
Montana in 67 during a UFO sighting well

691
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:07,980
I took that as a sign that maybe the

692
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:10,409
airport's Declassified this incident and

693
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:13,710
I'd be free to talk about I went to

694
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:17,340
MUFON got hold of James Klotz my

695
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:19,289
investigator and co-author of the first

696
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:21,750
book that I wrote called bated giant I

697
00:32:26,419 --> 00:32:24,570
asked him to send a FOIA request to the

698
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,429
Air Force but not the same thing about

699
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:29,460
UFOs simply ask about this unusual

700
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:33,240
incident Montana and 67 Air Force wrote

701
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,330
back and said this was still classified

702
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,179
however since it's been so long they

703
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:41,520
were gonna declassify the incident

704
00:32:46,510 --> 00:32:44,370
this was the echo flight incident which

705
00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:46,520
at the time I thought was my it's

706
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,159
because of the description would

707
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:52,159
followed the exactly what I had recalled

708
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,799
happened but it turns out it was an

709
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:57,240
incident that occurred about a week

710
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:01,620
earlier than mine but as soon as hike I

711
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:05,570
got FOIA documents from the Air Force

712
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:09,270
saying this was Declassified I started

713
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:10,080
talking about it

714
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:12,630
I thought I was in the clear because I

715
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,179
thought this was my answer anyway I

716
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:17,880
started talking about it going on TV and

717
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:23,279
radio shows and relating this to UFOs as

718
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,289
a UFO incident and it wasn't until about

719
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:30,419
a year or so later when I finally got a

720
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:34,470
hold of my commander Fred Maiwald that

721
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:37,380
he told me no we were not @echo flight

722
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:41,220
we were at Oscars life which was a shock

723
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,799
but by then I'd already been talking

724
00:33:47,779 --> 00:33:46,260
about it so I decided to just kind of

725
00:33:52,639 --> 00:33:47,789
hard to put that cat back in the bag

726
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,649
yeah right a little late you know stop

727
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:54,720
talking but and would also look worse

728
00:33:57,130 --> 00:33:56,130
for you if they came to you and said

729
00:33:59,380 --> 00:33:57,140
Robert

730
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,390
talk about this and some of the people

731
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:01,850
say look you've been on TV already why

732
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:03,350
aren't you talking about what would you

733
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,250
tell them I'm sorry I didn't follow the

734
00:34:10,659 --> 00:34:08,960
point being at once the cat was out of

735
00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:10,669
the bag and the genie left the bottle

736
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:12,380
yeah they couldn't come back to you and

737
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:16,010
saying oh no yo exactly exactly and

738
00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:18,980
that's the reason I don't think I've

739
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:21,340
been approached because I have been so

740
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:25,460
visible on this case I don't think the

741
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:28,070
Air Force wants to confront me on this

742
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,380
because I've got so much evidence now

743
00:34:39,130 --> 00:34:33,520
I've got a lot of witnesses and

744
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:39,140
paperwork so yeah I've got audio tape of

745
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:43,490
the echo flight deputy command a deputy

746
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:45,169
commander who received the phone calls

747
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:46,940
from his maintenance crews saying there

748
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:49,490
were UFOs overhead and the missile shut

749
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:51,409
down within seconds of that phone call

750
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,340
I've got my own commanders verbal

751
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:58,400
statement about this and again this is

752
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:01,000
on audio if people go to my website

753
00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:04,430
spiral galaxy dot o-r-g they can hear

754
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:07,400
this testimony that put themselves I've

755
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:10,610
also got documents on there like I said

756
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:14,930
from the Boeing engineer who ran the

757
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:18,560
investigation other documents in there

758
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:20,810
so I think I've got plenty of evidence

759
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:23,800
that supports what I'm saying

760
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:26,660
Robert Chris here you know I've heard

761
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:29,150
over the years a number of people

762
00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:32,510
mention that in some of these incursions

763
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:35,420
over our missile silo locations but he

764
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:38,630
at least in one or two of these the

765
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:42,110
actual telemetry data was compromised in

766
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:46,490
an actual targeting data was was changed

767
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:48,860
in some of these incidences do you know

768
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:50,570
anything about that and is this is this

769
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:53,540
an accurate as are these accurate

770
00:36:03,390 --> 00:35:58,250
statements I have heard this sort of

771
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:03,400
comment commentary specifically with the

772
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,280
1975 now suitcase of course I was not at

773
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Malstrom 75

774
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:12,170
I have heard that some Air Force types

775
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:15,710
have said that the that the missile

776
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:18,530
warhead or the or the obscure the

777
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:21,470
targeting information had been tampered

778
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:25,790
with in in the Mendelsohn case the one

779
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:29,510
in 1980 and and the United Kingdom I've

780
00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:33,230
also heard that that the the nuclear

781
00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:34,940
warheads were tampered with

782
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:36,859
let's go more into this next segment

783
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,560
Robert Salas the book design identified

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the UFO phenomenon with Jean and Chris

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Salas in each case there had been

887
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,390
tampering and we have to assume here

888
00:41:22,429 --> 00:41:20,400
based on what you say but you believe

889
00:41:25,339 --> 00:41:22,439
that tampering was done by some outside

890
00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:25,349
force was technology that's far in

891
00:41:35,299 --> 00:41:28,799
advance of ours right absolutely it

892
00:41:37,549 --> 00:41:35,309
would have to be we had no aircraft they

893
00:41:41,179 --> 00:41:37,559
could have done what this this object

894
00:41:44,689 --> 00:41:41,189
did at that time or I don't think even

895
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:44,699
today if we had if this had been an

896
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:46,529
actual experimental aircraft of some

897
00:41:50,509 --> 00:41:47,339
sort

898
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:50,519
it certainly would we've been known by

899
00:41:58,539 --> 00:41:55,650
now on and this was 1967 so how many

900
00:42:03,079 --> 00:41:58,549
years is that forty five years or so

901
00:42:05,539 --> 00:42:03,089
fast question here how recent our

902
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,549
incidents of this sort in UFO history

903
00:42:12,169 --> 00:42:08,400
how recent do we find these nuclear

904
00:42:17,059 --> 00:42:12,179
installation incursion well we have

905
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,069
reason to believe that in 2010 of 50

906
00:42:24,649 --> 00:42:20,400
missiles were shut down as a UFO was

907
00:42:27,709 --> 00:42:24,659
overhead this was Francis II Warren Air

908
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:27,719
Force Base which is in the southeast

909
00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:30,329
corner of Wyoming and actually into

910
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:34,540
Nebraska and that incident was reported

911
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:39,220
by many news agencies the fact that 15

912
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:41,880
missiles went down the airforce

913
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:45,330
claimed it was a computer glitch however

914
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:47,800
Robert Hastings which I'm sure you know

915
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:52,840
as been in contact with some Airmen at

916
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:56,230
the base stating that indeed there was a

917
00:43:02,310 --> 00:42:58,690
strange flying object overhead when this

918
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:02,320
happened so that's very possible that

919
00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:04,780
that did happen now as I mentioned

920
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:06,280
before Robert Hastings wrote the book

921
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:09,400
the UFOs and nukes and he's been on the

922
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:11,530
podcast occasionally has participated in

923
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:14,260
our forms so he actively researches this

924
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:17,320
alright so let's get back to the core of

925
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:21,220
this here the subtitle of your book how

926
00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:23,530
world governments have conspired to

927
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:27,160
conceal humanity's biggest secret now

928
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:30,280
assuming that these nuclear incursions

929
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:32,350
all these sightings are caused by a

930
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:35,590
force or forces unknown and we have a

931
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:39,180
situation here on this world where

932
00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:44,380
governments don't get along even the

933
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:46,360
relationship with the United States and

934
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:49,750
Israel isn't perfect as we know you of

935
00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:51,490
course can talk about the problems with

936
00:43:59,010 --> 00:43:55,900
Russia Iran how would the world

937
00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:59,020
governments conspire to do anything if

938
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:00,910
they can't cooperate on the simplest

939
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:03,250
things what about North Korea right

940
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:06,870
how's this happen well you're right on

941
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:10,810
the surface heads of governments don't

942
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:13,930
cooperate very well however as you may

943
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:23,190
intelligence agencies with the US

944
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:25,210
government and let's say the Soviet

945
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:28,600
government did cooperate at various

946
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,350
times so the East and West Intel

947
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:36,160
agencies exchanged information you know

948
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:38,650
they probably exchanged agents that they

949
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:43,120
each captured each one wanted

950
00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:45,910
information about what what how the

951
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:47,589
other was

952
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:51,249
let's say he planted a mole it's a on in

953
00:44:59,759 --> 00:44:55,390
their agency so there was a cooperation

954
00:45:02,789 --> 00:44:59,769
in that respect I think the heads of

955
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:02,799
governments are not made aware of this

956
00:45:10,759 --> 00:45:05,890
phenomenon for the most part now I'm

957
00:45:14,789 --> 00:45:10,769
just speaking for the u.s. primarily but

958
00:45:17,299 --> 00:45:14,799
there is evidence or I've I've been

959
00:45:19,799 --> 00:45:17,309
exposed to evidence that states that

960
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:19,809
when it comes to UFOs

961
00:45:25,529 --> 00:45:23,109
we do have militaries at least military

962
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:25,539
intelligence groups that are cooperating

963
00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:27,609
with each other and exchanging

964
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:30,099
information and I go into that a little

965
00:45:35,189 --> 00:45:33,400
bit of that my book well tell me how

966
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:35,199
this mechanism works is it all on the

967
00:45:40,019 --> 00:45:37,630
intelligence level because obviously the

968
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:40,029
various intelligence agencies are busy

969
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:42,249
finding the secrets from the other

970
00:45:46,859 --> 00:45:44,140
intelligence agencies so again I

971
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:46,869
understand the mechanism of this kind of

972
00:45:51,169 --> 00:45:49,150
cooperation where no other possible

973
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:51,179
cooperation exists even on a

974
00:45:56,489 --> 00:45:53,650
intelligence level a military level any

975
00:46:02,729 --> 00:45:56,499
level ok well let's let's use the

976
00:46:05,779 --> 00:46:02,739
example of UFOs interfering with nuclear

977
00:46:11,789 --> 00:46:05,789
weapons we had a similar incident in

978
00:46:15,449 --> 00:46:11,799
Soviet Union in 1982 where UFO comes

979
00:46:18,539 --> 00:46:15,459
over a missile site a Soviet site and

980
00:46:22,189 --> 00:46:18,549
actually starts the missile on its

981
00:46:24,839 --> 00:46:22,199
launch sequence it's a lot of sequence

982
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:24,849
the UFO was probably responsible for

983
00:46:29,999 --> 00:46:26,859
stopping that launch sequence but the

984
00:46:32,609 --> 00:46:30,009
Soviet operators could not stop the

985
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:32,619
missile from launching it was it was

986
00:46:39,919 --> 00:46:36,400
done externally so just as in the movie

987
00:46:42,809 --> 00:46:39,929
failsafe we if the missile did launch

988
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:42,819
the Soviets would have certainly wanted

989
00:46:48,059 --> 00:46:46,390
to contact our president and say that

990
00:46:50,609 --> 00:46:48,069
this was an accident

991
00:46:53,429 --> 00:46:50,619
out of our control we do not want to

992
00:46:54,059 --> 00:46:53,439
have a nuclear war with you and vice

993
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:54,069
versa

994
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:56,140
on our end so

995
00:47:03,450 --> 00:46:59,140
that could be one of these scenarios

996
00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:03,460
where the intelligence agencies of both

997
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:06,460
countries would want to exchange

998
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:10,180
information about UFOs since we the

999
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:12,280
experience has been that UFOs have in

1000
00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:15,250
fact interacted with our nuclear

1001
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:19,060
missiles so I can point to that and say

1002
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:21,480
that yeah that may be one case where

1003
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:25,240
they wanted to cooperate and share

1004
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:28,660
information about UFO activity that's

1005
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:32,500
rather disturbing that a UFO would

1006
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:35,530
actually fake them out and then start

1007
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:37,390
the launch sequence and then turn it off

1008
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:39,130
it's almost uh you know I hate to use

1009
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:41,410
the trickster word but what would be the

1010
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,780
motivation to do that I wonder well I

1011
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:46,240
think I think the motivation is the same

1012
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:48,940
as the motivation in my case and of

1013
00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:52,690
course I'm speculating here but I think

1014
00:48:01,020 --> 00:47:56,320
the motivation is simply to point out to

1015
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:01,030
us humans that we have got to get rid of

1016
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:04,450
these nuclear weapons there are much too

1017
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:05,740
dangerous because they can obviously

1018
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:09,130
obliterate human civilization so if we

1019
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:12,070
had a nuclear war you just posed a very

1020
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:13,720
compelling argument for those

1021
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:17,230
responsible for UFOs wanting to make us

1022
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:25,200
change our ways absolutely and I think

1023
00:48:34,140 --> 00:48:29,560
again I go over some at least a dozen

1024
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:34,150
other cases of incidents where UFOs came

1025
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:38,500
over nuclear facilities and did no real

1026
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:41,020
harm did no real damage other than to

1027
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:41,950
either Shina

1028
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:46,680
a beam of light over a nuclear storage

1029
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:54,160
facilities or disabled weapons or in

1030
00:49:03,510 --> 00:48:58,090
other cases upset communications in the

1031
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:03,520
nuclear base that sort of thing just to

1032
00:49:09,809 --> 00:49:05,620
show themselves demonstrate they were

1033
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,819
around and in fact that they knew

1034
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,640
in great detail how are our nuclear

1035
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:15,599
weapons operated I also talked about a

1036
00:49:23,609 --> 00:49:19,210
incident in the restarting of the echo

1037
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,619
flight we had a maintenance guy go out

1038
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,079
and try to restart the missile and the

1039
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:29,440
UFO came over and again disabled a

1040
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:32,109
missile while this maintenance person

1041
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:35,500
was going through his checklist and at a

1042
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:38,260
certain point he the missile went down

1043
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:40,930
he'd go through the checklist again and

1044
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:43,690
the missile went down again at that same

1045
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,930
point in the checklist there and he did

1046
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:50,079
this many many times over I go into that

1047
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:51,730
in a little more detail in the book but

1048
00:49:58,319 --> 00:49:55,180
it showed him that these objects know

1049
00:50:00,510 --> 00:49:58,329
exactly how our systems work in great

1050
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:00,520
detail would you think though if they

1051
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:02,410
have all that power they prevent any

1052
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:04,690
kind of nuclear weapons testing I'm

1053
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:07,240
thinking about North Korea which is sent

1054
00:50:14,819 --> 00:50:12,280
off a few weapons testing no I well they

1055
00:50:19,579 --> 00:50:14,829
haven't you know we've been we did a lot

1056
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:19,589
of weapons testing in in the 50s and 60s

1057
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:23,829
and of course there have been more

1058
00:50:28,289 --> 00:50:26,380
countries obtaining nuclear weapons and

1059
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:28,299
of course have tested them they haven't

1060
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:30,460
stopped any of that the question is

1061
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:33,010
would they stop a nuclear war well your

1062
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:35,170
guess is as good as mine I have no idea

1063
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:37,890
whether that actually stopped us from a

1064
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:41,260
nuclear war some kind of experiment we

1065
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,960
hope we never have to worry about all

1066
00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:44,559
right

1067
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:52,420
UFOs are concerned about nuclear weapons

1068
00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:55,990
testing another question would arise as

1069
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:58,299
to why are they here for a benevolent

1070
00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:01,630
purpose are they just testing their own

1071
00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:03,460
systems to see if that they can disable

1072
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:06,460
our weapons systems maybe in preparation

1073
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:08,589
for a future attack or to check our

1074
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:10,420
vulnerability a lot of questions

1075
00:51:14,819 --> 00:51:12,670
implicit in that and let's maybe explore

1076
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,829
some of that in our next segment the

1077
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:16,720
author is Robert Salas the book is

1078
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:19,780
unidentified the UFO phenomenon the

1079
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:23,000
subtitle how world governments have

1080
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:26,210
spired to conceal humanity's biggest

1081
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:29,150
secret with gene and Chris you're in the

1082
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:38,140
[Music]

1083
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:40,370
independently leading the way for the

1084
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,230
nation compelling talk for every

1085
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:44,880
political persuasion

1086
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:49,530
we are imagine looking in the mirror and

1087
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:51,540
to your surprise you look 10 years

1088
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:53,220
younger how would it make you feel

1089
00:51:57,830 --> 00:51:55,410
looking younger can be your reality

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Salas joins us we're talking about UFOs

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keeping the secret so what do you think

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here what is are the motives of those

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responsible for UFOs what's called them

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et if they're playing games with our

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launch codes and disabling nuclear

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missiles at least for a period of time

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are they demonstrating their power

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giving us a warning checking our

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technology to see if we could fight back

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what do you think well two things are

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00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,010
certain one is they want us to know they

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are here they are in the neighborhood

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and they understand our that we have a

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nuclear capability and and they fully

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understand that we are capable of

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00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:01,620
destroying ourselves now if you buy into

1142
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:05,700
the idea that they've been here for at

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00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:07,590
least hundreds probably thousands of

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00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:14,250
years then we have to at least I've

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00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:16,260
concluded that they are not here to

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00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,550
invade per se this is not about an alien

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invasion

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they are either here or probably here to

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observe and possibly help us

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evolved at least help us not to have

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devastatingly destructive to the planet

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and every living thing on it and I'm

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00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:48,930
sure they would not like to see that I

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don't know how ubiquitous life is in the

1155
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:56,850
universe but life everywhere has to be

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precious I

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yeah we've got such a diverse variety of

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00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:05,270
life at any rate I don't think they'd

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like to see us destroy Robert I've

1160
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:11,120
always looked at these incidents which

1161
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:13,010
pretty much started right around the

1162
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time you know the modern era of UFOs are

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00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,620
right around the time when we first you

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know broke that barrier of allowing

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ourselves the possibility to destroy

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ourselves and I think what it

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Oppenheimer's say you know I am Shiva

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the destroyer of worlds as he watched

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the Trinity side explosion of the first

1170
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:38,270
nuclear weapon I've always looked at

1171
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:40,910
this whole scenario of UFOs showing up

1172
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,500
and showing an interest in nuclear

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00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:45,200
materials and missiles and whatnot as

1174
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:47,420
being possibly evidence that they have

1175
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as much to lose by us possibly

1176
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:53,690
destroying ourselves and polluting the

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planet with radiation so perhaps there

1178
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another tenant on the planet that

1179
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perhaps we are putting them in jeopardy

1180
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by having this capability well we have

1181
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you ever entertained that thought oh

1182
00:57:15,850 --> 00:57:12,730
sure that's that's a possibility

1183
00:57:18,730 --> 00:57:15,860
you know there's evidence that they have

1184
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:18,740
been you know visiting for thousands of

1185
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:20,990
years they may have made a home here

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somewhere

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possibly in the oceans or possibly on

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bases on the moon on Mars who knows but

1189
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I think they probably see us as cousins

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and nothing else maybe you know backward

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cousins but they probably see us as

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related in some way certainly some of

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00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:53,140
the in the abduction scenarios we are

1194
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:57,070
somewhat similar to them in appearance

1195
00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:00,470
so but that's a possibility certainly I

1196
00:58:05,530 --> 00:58:03,620
don't discount that possibility well we

1197
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have quite a number of questions for you

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00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:07,830
at forum dr. Perik asked calm

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or question form we have Jeff Davis

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00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:13,200
wondering if you personally believe that

1201
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:15,860
UFOs navigate space-time as we define it

1202
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:18,150
with respect to you know what we would

1203
00:58:23,810 --> 00:58:21,260
call space travel but do you feel that

1204
00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:23,820
UFO knots basically have the ability to

1205
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interact with reality itself that's one

1206
00:58:33,860 --> 00:58:31,040
question and the other one is from the

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soda punk who's a brand-new shiny hat

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form dr. Peric ascom and he's wondering

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about the response of the higher command

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and and whether there were any out of

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the ordinary high-ranking or technical

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personnel around the mountain stream

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missile fields prior to these events

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:58:57,030
happening well I'd say you're talking

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00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:01,650
about the Air Force command structure in

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00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:05,070
the echo flight incident certainly when

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that was reported the Strategic Air

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Command headquarters one of the first

1219
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things they did was send out a telex to

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a lot of different facilities stating

1221
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:18,600
that this was a grave concerns Strategic

1222
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:21,420
Air Command and they wanted to get

1223
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:25,620
answers right away so and there was also

1224
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:29,070
reports by many people that some

1225
00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:31,770
high-ranking generals general officers

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did visit mails from Air Force Base

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:37,020
right after the echo fly incident so

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00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:39,690
certainly it went up the chain of

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00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:44,550
command and you know who knows how how

1230
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:46,290
high up it went but at least the SEC

1231
00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:48,840
headquarters the other question had to

1232
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:52,940
do with are we dealing are the ETS

1233
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:56,490
dealing in the space-time continuum that

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we know about or and that's a good

1235
01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:07,530
question there in my well I don't want

1236
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:10,590
to get ahead of it but many many people

1237
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:13,950
who have had close experiences with DT

1238
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:17,819
I've had some very very strange

1239
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:21,359
experiences which boggle our

1240
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:24,940
understanding of physics many of the

1241
01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:27,849
pilots who have encountered these while

1242
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:31,390
I'm trying to chase them down I have

1243
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:34,089
talked about some of these objects being

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01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:38,640
somewhat transparent and actually

1245
01:00:43,799 --> 01:00:41,140
disappearing right before their eyes and

1246
01:00:46,499 --> 01:00:43,809
then reappearing almost instantaneously

1247
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:46,509
in another location so there are some

1248
01:00:51,809 --> 01:00:50,170
very strange aspects of this Emma namaha

1249
01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:51,819
it almost sounds like some sort of time

1250
01:00:57,539 --> 01:00:54,190
compression right right and that's

1251
01:01:02,699 --> 01:00:57,549
another thing I've talked to witnesses

1252
01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:02,709
that say you know after seeing a UFO

1253
01:01:08,759 --> 01:01:06,190
they were traveling on a road see a UFO

1254
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,769
and they knew how long it would take to

1255
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:11,680
their destination arrived at their

1256
01:01:18,569 --> 01:01:16,150
destination you know way before they

1257
01:01:20,579 --> 01:01:18,579
should have in other words they traveled

1258
01:01:23,459 --> 01:01:20,589
a lot faster than they could have been

1259
01:01:24,989 --> 01:01:23,469
even done in their own automobiles so

1260
01:01:28,109 --> 01:01:24,999
we're talking here not about missing

1261
01:01:30,059 --> 01:01:28,119
time but gained attaining yeah of course

1262
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:30,069
regular listeners to the power cast will

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01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:31,900
recall that one of the people formerly

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01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,180
associated with the show described an

1265
01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:36,160
incident in which he and a colleague

1266
01:01:42,479 --> 01:01:39,400
drove home from Boston going to New York

1267
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:42,489
City and the four-hour drive took about

1268
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:44,890
two hours I actually had a case like

1269
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:47,049
that where a couple driving back from

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01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:49,319
Pueblo to the San Luis Valley

1271
01:01:55,319 --> 01:01:53,410
experienced an impossible I think they

1272
01:01:58,109 --> 01:01:55,329
had would have had to have averaged 130

1273
01:01:59,999 --> 01:01:58,119
miles an hour in order to get home in

1274
01:02:01,499 --> 01:02:00,009
the amount of time and it actually took

1275
01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:01,509
and they were very very actually

1276
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:03,640
disturbed by this because this was back

1277
01:02:08,459 --> 01:02:06,190
in the 60s when you just didn't travel

1278
01:02:10,289 --> 01:02:08,469
you know that fast you travel 55 60

1279
01:02:12,059 --> 01:02:10,299
miles an hour and they literally got

1280
01:02:13,999 --> 01:02:12,069
home twice as fast as they should have

1281
01:02:15,749 --> 01:02:14,009
and that was very disturbing to them

1282
01:02:19,979 --> 01:02:15,759
right right

1283
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:19,989
yeah so how does that happen a good

1284
01:02:24,089 --> 01:02:21,249
question so there's a lot we don't

1285
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:24,099
understand about how this phenomenon

1286
01:02:31,779 --> 01:02:24,900
works

1287
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,729
well again we have a number of questions

1288
01:02:39,979 --> 01:02:37,200
here for you at forum dr. Peric ascom

1289
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:39,989
and this one comes from a brand new

1290
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:42,150
signee named war and he's wondering

1291
01:02:46,029 --> 01:02:44,130
he says Robert Hastings said he is

1292
01:02:48,380 --> 01:02:46,039
unable to comment on UFO sightings at

1293
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:48,390
nuclear facilities in places like China

1294
01:02:53,509 --> 01:02:50,819
Iran and Pakistan due to his limited

1295
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:53,519
access to reliable sources he says I

1296
01:02:57,859 --> 01:02:54,839
noticed your book towel mentions world

1297
01:02:59,959 --> 01:02:57,869
governments and how have you tested the

1298
01:03:01,940 --> 01:02:59,969
reliability of sources on foreign

1299
01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:01,950
governments and their connection to UFOs

1300
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:04,619
and have we had any I'm adding this part

1301
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:07,910
of it are how we had any information on

1302
01:03:14,890 --> 01:03:12,180
Pakistan India Iran any sort of

1303
01:03:17,509 --> 01:03:14,900
incursions over those areas that are

1304
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:17,519
bhai strange nature obviously there's

1305
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:18,839
probably drone flights that we're

1306
01:03:23,779 --> 01:03:21,150
responsible for over some of these areas

1307
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I wouldn't be surprised but how we do we

1308
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have any information of a high strange

1309
01:03:32,359 --> 01:03:29,309
nature in addition to the to the you

1310
01:03:34,489 --> 01:03:32,369
know very disturbing Russian in incident

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let's have that answer our next segment

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with Robert Salas joining Jeanne and

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asking a rather long question with lots

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of ramifications Robert well I can't

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speak to India Pakistan and China but I

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can't say that visited and talked to

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military types in Peru and Argentina and

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one of the stories that I have in my

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the Iraqi war in 2006 where a platoon an

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entire platoon of soldiers US soldiers

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observed a large triangular craft south

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of Baghdad Airport so these incidents

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are occurring all over the world but as

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as to the cooperation between militaries

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I was informed by fellow in Peru who was

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ex-military and had attended a meeting

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with high-level brass from both the US

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and the Peruvian Air Force and the US

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was taking the lead and as far as

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sharing not sharing but asking for

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information from the Peruvian Air Force

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about UFO significant UFO events so I

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know that sharing is done at least from

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that testimony that's just mentioning

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that I had spoken to military people for

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example in Peru who's who stated that he

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was in on a meeting with high-level

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officers of the US Air Force and also

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the Peruvian Air Force were they there

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was information exchanged about UFO

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incidents in Peru and the air force was

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of course very interested in collecting

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all the information on

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on those so there is cooperation at

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least within the intelligence

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communities of our militaries in

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collecting this information you know and

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of course that that brings up the very

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contentious subject of UFO disclosure

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and I've always had been in the opinion

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that the reason why we're seeing all

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sorts of disclosures around the world

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from various countries and various

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militaries perhaps it's to take the heat

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off the u.s. who is probably the at the

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center of you know this yeah amazing

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amount of data that's being collected

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your illustration I think kind of drives

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that point home do you think that the US

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will ever disclose the extent of the

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military's knowledge about UFOs or do

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you think this is just a pipe dream well

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I think there will be public recognition

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of the phenomenon I doubt if we will

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ever get the full story from yeah you

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know anyone within the US intelligence

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community of exactly what they know and

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how much they know eventually the mass

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of testimony from witnesses will require

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a response some sort from from our

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government the other thing is we've got

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a lot of other foreign governments

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coming forward and there's good

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cooperation going on now for example

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between Argentina and UFO groups and the

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Argentine military the same thing in

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Peru the same thing in Brazil there was

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a good cooperation for a time in France

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right so I'm hopeful you don't think

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this is just an effort to deflect

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attention away from the u.s. kind of

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let's give them a little bit so maybe

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they'll be happy with that and leave the

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BigDog alone possibly I I agree with you

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I think the u.s. is in the lead in this

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cover-up and we probably have

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like I said more information than in any

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other country because we've been let's

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say bring you know accumulating it from

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other other sources from other countries

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for a longer time well that that kind of

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brings up an interesting question from

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one of our our top forum posters who is

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in Germany and his name is Paul T worst

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on our site

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he says unlike all the other major

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countries in Europe my government in

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Germany still claims that it's never

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collected any UFO files and in both the

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worst opinion that may be correct but

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only because the authorities concern

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handed these reports on to some secret

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agency in the US and he's wondering what

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you think about that I don't believe it

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you know I think Germany has an

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intelligence as an intelligence agencies

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just like we do and I think they are

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that now when I say I'm not talking

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about the entire agency but off but

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there are individuals within each of the

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intelligence agencies in these countries

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that are cognizant of this phenomenon

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like I say it's happening all over the

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world and of course there's a lot of

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evidence that we're talking pre-world

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War two that Adolf Hitler had had an

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interest in this subject and that in

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fact the German military the Nazis were

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doing some research on on UFOs because

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they were even during World War two they

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were observing the Foo Fighters as we

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were and so they must have had an

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interest in this so you don't think

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there's a possibility that those Foo

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Fighters were actually some sort of

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German technology and they were feigning

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ignorance about it no I don't think so I

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think they were UFOs that nobody could

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explain at the time however I seem to

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recall there was wasn't there a crash

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supposedly in the 30s in the Black

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Forest as well in some sort of retrieval

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operation yeah I've heard that I've also

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heard there was a crash in 1934 in Italy

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and that was retrieved and that

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information from that crash was was

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shared with with German

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German government mmm yeah as a matter

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of fact I did hear a little bit more

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about that not recently but of the the

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guy to talk to his gotcha can't remember

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his name now sorry but he's he said of

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the Italian group studying UFOs okay so

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if we have captured the wreckage of

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crash UFOs over the years maybe a

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handful Roswell perhaps mm-hmm

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is there any evidence of any advanced

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technology that's filtered its way or is

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01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:13,400
this stuff still inscrutable to us do

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01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:15,770
you have a feeling I think advanced

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technology has been let's say reproduced

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or yeah there's been efforts to

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commercialize some of the things they

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found in these crash saucers of course

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we're familiar with Phillip courses book

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I think they've been in the Roswell

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crash for example they found bundles

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that were like fiber what are you gonna

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buy the optic fiber optics bundles right

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right so yeah who knows that you know I

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don't have access to that information

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but I got to believe that the one of the

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efforts or one of the reasons this this

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whole thing is being kept secret is

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because this technology is probably

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hi this is Nate hope you're listening to

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the Parrikar Robert Salas joins us with

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Jean and Chris and the para cast talking

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about unidentified the UFO phenomenon to

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be very fair the Corso book that he

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wrote with Bill burns the day after

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Roswell is very controversial and there

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are people who don't believe much of

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what's in there about the supposed

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duties of course so being kind of a

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bagman for alien technology to bring the

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private industry you're aware of that

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right that it is just be us

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certainly and of course I've got my my

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01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:34,679
own questions about it however I I try

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to do a linear thinking I'm still a math

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01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:42,230
teacher by the way but if you do the

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logic that if there was indeed a crash

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and there was a recovery there must have

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been some amazing technology that they

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discovered from these craft because of

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the amazing things they can do and

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certainly the temptation would be there

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to try to reproduce that technology in a

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and and find some application for it

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militarily at least if not for

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industrial purposes and the logic falls

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into place with what mr. Corso or

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01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:19,610
Lieutenant Colonel course was saying I

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01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:23,369
think let me just backtrack a little bit

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01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:25,260
here we've been talking about possible

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alien technology about UFOs incursions

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involving nuclear installations what the

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government may know let's talk a little

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bit about yourself before we get back to

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those questions now in Malmstrom of

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course you were involved in witnessing

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the effects not the object itself since

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then have you had any sightings well

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I've had experience all right which I

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:55,860
talk about my book in 1985 I was living

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in Manhattan Beach I was out of the Air

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Force I had not gone public with my

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01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:06,530
Malstrom incident but one evening my

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01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:09,140
wife and two children were in a

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:12,530
particular house which we recall in

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01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:15,650
Manhattan Beach and I wake up in the

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01:23:21,820 --> 01:23:18,380
middle of the night and see strange

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01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:21,830
bluish light coming from the living room

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01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:26,570
and so I wake up my wife she also sees

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01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:29,600
the blue light and I said wait get up to

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01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:31,370
investigate because I you know framed

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01:23:36,729 --> 01:23:35,000
somebody's in the house so I start to

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01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:36,739
get up off the bed and all of a sudden

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01:23:43,390 --> 01:23:38,980
I'm paralyzed I can't move

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01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:43,400
absolutely struggle struggle struggle

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01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:47,270
really hard everything I've got off and

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01:23:52,660 --> 01:23:49,700
I asked my wife for help and turned

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01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:52,670
there and she's unconscious

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01:23:59,530 --> 01:23:56,090
so I was completely paralyzed couldn't

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01:24:03,850 --> 01:23:59,540
move next thing I see in the doorway to

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01:24:06,729 --> 01:24:03,860
the bedroom is this hooded figure I

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01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:06,739
don't at this point don't recall what

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01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:11,090
the face this figure looked like I do I

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01:24:16,270 --> 01:24:12,860
did have the sense that there were

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01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:16,280
others in the room at this time and and

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01:24:22,990 --> 01:24:18,440
then the next thing is I'm floating off

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01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:23,000
the bed and floating towards the window

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01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:29,360
of our bedroom and now a funny thing is

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01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:33,260
that I recall thinking they don't know

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:35,570
how to open the window I had locked the

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01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:40,690
window the night before and because

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01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:43,790
these other beings in the room seemed to

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:50,540
be rather small and childlike I had the

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01:24:57,340 --> 01:24:52,850
thought that they're never gonna be able

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01:25:00,010 --> 01:24:57,350
to open this window but as it turns out

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01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:00,020
I I went right through the window so I

1754
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:03,140
know how crazy this sounds but this is

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01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:07,870
what I've been able to retrieve through

1756
01:25:12,340 --> 01:25:10,250
hypnotherapy sessions I had about four

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01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:12,350
of them okay now that's gonna raise a

1758
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,390
question mark because some people

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01:25:20,140 --> 01:25:17,360
the hypnotherapy hypnotic regression

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01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,150
that kind of thing may color what you

1761
01:25:25,210 --> 01:25:23,120
remember what did you remember what did

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01:25:30,730 --> 01:25:25,220
you remember before you underwent

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01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:30,740
hypnosis well it's hard to go back and

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01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:32,780
try to remember what I remembered at

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01:25:39,370 --> 01:25:35,000
that point before I had hypnosis but I

1766
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:39,380
did remember the blue light and I did

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01:25:48,220 --> 01:25:44,960
remember being paralyzed the the reason

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01:25:50,740 --> 01:25:48,230
I'm convinced this was not a dream are

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01:25:54,630 --> 01:25:50,750
three I think I had three three major

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01:25:58,330 --> 01:25:54,640
reasons one is the paralysis I remember

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:58,340
struggling you know trying to move my

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01:26:07,690 --> 01:26:01,130
limbs with everything I had I remember

1773
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,700
that specifically and then let me just

1774
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:10,400
continue with this scenario the next

1775
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:13,640
thing after going through the window was

1776
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:16,970
being on a table apparently on board the

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01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:22,030
ship and being shown a long needle-like

1778
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:28,460
object so these ETS actually placed the

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01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:30,890
needle right in front of my eyes they

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01:26:35,860 --> 01:26:33,350
want me to see this needle and they told

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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:35,870
me they were going to not told me I'm

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01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:38,810
talking telepathically because that is I

1783
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,830
don't remember them speaking but that

1784
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:44,480
they were going to insert this into my

1785
01:26:55,330 --> 01:26:52,480
however when they started to do that it

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01:26:58,030 --> 01:26:55,340
was extremely painful and I complained

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01:27:01,360 --> 01:26:58,040
about that and then the pain went went

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01:27:03,190 --> 01:27:01,370
away almost immediately I know I

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01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:03,200
remember that pain I have never

1790
01:27:09,130 --> 01:27:06,950
experienced pain like that so that was

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01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:09,140
the second thing that convinced me that

1792
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:15,530
this was not a dream so that after that

1793
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:21,110
procedure it was kind of a physical

1794
01:27:28,660 --> 01:27:26,150
inspection of me I was I was naked

1795
01:27:33,070 --> 01:27:28,670
they did I remember them probing with

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01:27:35,770 --> 01:27:33,080
her fingers along my back and then I was

1797
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:35,780
escorted through a tunnel area again

1798
01:27:42,610 --> 01:27:39,650
still floating an escorted by two beings

1799
01:27:45,939 --> 01:27:42,620
and then back into my bed the next day I

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01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:45,949
did remember a thing about this new did

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01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:51,050
my wife about the about seven or eight

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01:28:00,370 --> 01:27:56,210
years ago I was you know reactor

1803
01:28:02,649 --> 01:28:00,380
speaking to other experiences I asked my

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01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:02,659
wife if she had remembered seeing a blue

1805
01:28:10,300 --> 01:28:07,130
light at some point in our past and and

1806
01:28:12,250 --> 01:28:10,310
she said yes she saw the blue lights so

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and my wife and I have been together for

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01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:14,659
forty five years I you know I trust her

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01:28:19,870 --> 01:28:16,850
you know her statement says she doesn't

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01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:19,880
lie to me it's sort of at least I know

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01:28:25,630 --> 01:28:23,600
about something like this so that

1812
01:28:27,010 --> 01:28:25,640
convinced me that that's the third thing

1813
01:28:30,189 --> 01:28:27,020
that convinced me that this was

1814
01:28:32,590 --> 01:28:30,199
certainly a real incident now prior to

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01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:32,600
this episode of had you read much about

1816
01:28:42,370 --> 01:28:38,000
UFO abductions I had I had read a little

1817
01:28:44,860 --> 01:28:42,380
bit of John Mack and Budd Hopkins of

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01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:44,870
course I had read about the Barney and

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01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:49,150
Betty hill case so yeah I had read about

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01:28:58,780 --> 01:28:54,770
these incidents but like I said you know

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01:29:02,620 --> 01:28:58,790
III tried second-guessing myself trying

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01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:02,630
to see if you know some I was talking

1823
01:29:08,380 --> 01:29:05,750
myself into this but like I said those

1824
01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:08,390
those three things have convinced me

1825
01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:12,190
that this was real now at that point

1826
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:14,659
once my wife told me that she remembered

1827
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:17,570
the blue light that's when I that

1828
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:19,489
confirmed to me that yeah I saw the blue

1829
01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:23,989
light she saw the blue light that's when

1830
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:27,980
I had my first therapy session and and

1831
01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:33,290
these other facts or parts of the story

1832
01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:35,960
I've just told you came out in those

1833
01:29:41,780 --> 01:29:37,139
sessions

1834
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:41,790
was was this someone known in the field

1835
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:44,219
that had already been working with

1836
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,170
people with similar experiences or was

1837
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:48,239
this someone that was not familiar with

1838
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:50,010
the literature and not familiar with

1839
01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:53,730
this whole abduction scenario no these

1840
01:29:57,109 --> 01:29:56,100
were all people that had been working in

1841
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:57,119
the field

1842
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:01,679
everyone Smith was one David Jacobs and

1843
01:30:10,030 --> 01:30:06,239
then the other one was you can't

1844
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:10,040
remember her name now Australian lady

1845
01:30:14,060 --> 01:30:11,460
anyway

1846
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:14,070
yeah they had all worked with other

1847
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,650
experiencers let's go into more of this

1848
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:19,139
in our next segment folks Robert Salas

1849
01:30:24,169 --> 01:30:22,260
talking about his UFO abduction

1850
01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:24,179
experience I'm going to ask him also if

1851
01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,380
there have been any subsequent

1852
01:30:29,530 --> 01:30:27,780
experiences with Jean and Chris you're

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01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:29,540
in the para cast

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01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:36,370
[Music]

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great minds think alike the network for

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the independent finding the genesis

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communications network G C n first game

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attack of the rock codes and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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hello this is for us my ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

1960
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:11,320
you see Robert Salas where the skeptics

1961
01:35:15,370 --> 01:35:13,130
are gonna say hey these people who

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01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:15,380
hypnotized you were already involved in

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01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:19,310
the field maybe they manipulated your

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01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:21,190
recollection

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01:35:28,510 --> 01:35:24,800
well they didn't they didn't manipulate

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01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:28,520
my recollection hypnosis is basically

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01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:32,480
deep relaxation and in fact when I

1968
01:35:37,060 --> 01:35:34,490
worked with David Jacobs dr. David

1969
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:37,070
Jacobs he didn't even put me under

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01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:37,910
hypnosis

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01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:41,510
it was simply they put me in a state of

1972
01:35:46,270 --> 01:35:43,940
relaxation and then we just talked

1973
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:46,280
through it and some more information

1974
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:49,850
came out I consider myself free thinker

1975
01:35:56,380 --> 01:35:53,210
independent thinker you know I've been

1976
01:35:59,950 --> 01:35:56,390
an engineer math teacher

1977
01:36:03,730 --> 01:35:59,960
I don't fantasize I just don't at any

1978
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,740
rate I'm convinced that no this was not

1979
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:06,880
do some suggestion by other people I I

1980
01:36:13,330 --> 01:36:10,390
recall the things I just told you but

1981
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:13,340
have you had any subsequent experiences

1982
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:17,090
of this sort we think so yes

1983
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:20,690
you know there's indications especially

1984
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:24,170
with my wife that she has experienced

1985
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,000
other experiences

1986
01:36:33,010 --> 01:36:30,080
we're not going to go into that right

1987
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:33,020
now we're actually think we may have

1988
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:36,230
some evidence of that we're trying to

1989
01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:38,810
develop that evidence and at that time

1990
01:36:44,290 --> 01:36:42,260
we'll we'll disclose more about that now

1991
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:44,300
a lot of the people who report abduction

1992
01:36:50,050 --> 01:36:47,750
experiences will indicate that maybe at

1993
01:36:52,750 --> 01:36:50,060
least some strange things happen to them

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01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:52,760
in their childhood so Robert Salas

1995
01:37:00,880 --> 01:36:54,980
anything weird happened in your

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01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,890
childhood well I can't say for sure well

1997
01:37:07,900 --> 01:37:02,960
Jean he grew up in the 50s that that was

1998
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:07,910
strange enough speak not of the 50s okay

1999
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:11,090
what a story of my mother told over and

2000
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:14,330
over afterwards and this was when she

2001
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:18,800
was 12 years old so she was a teenager

2002
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:22,010
preteen living in Chandler's

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01:37:29,650 --> 01:37:25,010
when one night she was sleeping over

2004
01:37:30,970 --> 01:37:29,660
with their friends their cousins and we

2005
01:37:36,270 --> 01:37:30,980
woke up in the middle of the night to

2006
01:37:38,290 --> 01:37:36,280
see a tall white woman dressed in white

2007
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:38,300
long blond hair

2008
01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:41,810
nobody knew this woman and of course at

2009
01:37:50,260 --> 01:37:46,900
that time and this was 1920 around 1920

2010
01:37:52,450 --> 01:37:50,270
the you know the population was very

2011
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:52,460
sparse everybody knew each other in that

2012
01:37:58,840 --> 01:37:55,130
area nobody knew her and my mother

2013
01:38:03,610 --> 01:37:58,850
screamed this woman disappears the next

2014
01:38:06,010 --> 01:38:03,620
night my mother wakes up to what you

2015
01:38:10,780 --> 01:38:06,020
describe as a whispering in her

2016
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:10,790
ear some strange language and by the way

2017
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:13,520
the other cousins saw the both these

2018
01:38:19,210 --> 01:38:16,820
people anyway my other screams and this

2019
01:38:22,150 --> 01:38:19,220
runs off you know when I went

2020
01:38:23,290 --> 01:38:22,160
public I asked my mother if she thought

2021
01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:23,300
this these would live in

2022
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:26,440
extraterrestrial beings and she said no

2023
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:28,850
this was not something she thought was

2024
01:38:36,430 --> 01:38:33,170
expert wrestle but yeah you know in

2025
01:38:40,570 --> 01:38:36,440
talking to other abductees they they do

2026
01:38:44,050 --> 01:38:40,580
talk about different types of ETS but

2027
01:38:48,190 --> 01:38:44,060
all whites and the small very small

2028
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:48,200
like creatures well as you know

2029
01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:51,590
uh there are a number of of cases that

2030
01:38:55,060 --> 01:38:52,300
feature

2031
01:38:57,010 --> 01:38:55,070
you know several generations in a family

2032
01:38:59,620 --> 01:38:57,020
having experiences how about your kids

2033
01:39:01,630 --> 01:38:59,630
and your grandkids have you heard of any

2034
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:01,640
sort of experiences that may may have it

2035
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:04,400
experienced no I know I haven't talked

2036
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,410
to my kids about anything they might

2037
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:08,000
have experienced I don't have any

2038
01:39:14,140 --> 01:39:11,810
grandchildren yet mm-hmm yeah was your

2039
01:39:16,990 --> 01:39:14,150
son present when this happened from your

2040
01:39:20,830 --> 01:39:17,000
abduction experience yes

2041
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:20,840
both he and my daughter were where my

2042
01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:23,270
daughter was I think she was about 11 or

2043
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:27,820
well my children were in the house

2044
01:39:35,060 --> 01:39:31,130
during that experience I described and

2045
01:39:38,440 --> 01:39:35,070
they were both young my daughter was

2046
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:38,450
teenager and I and I spend was about

2047
01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:42,000
eight or nine years old the time but

2048
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:46,020
we've never discussed with them whether

2049
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:49,050
or not they had experience of course

2050
01:39:55,130 --> 01:39:53,550
they're both grown now and it's probably

2051
01:40:00,320 --> 01:39:55,140
something that they're not interested in

2052
01:40:07,670 --> 01:40:00,330
talking about either of them have an

2053
01:40:10,010 --> 01:40:07,680
interest in UFOs no well I can't say

2054
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:10,020
that for sure I you know since I've been

2055
01:40:16,630 --> 01:40:12,690
so public with this so we of course

2056
01:40:20,630 --> 01:40:16,640
talked about my incidents many times but

2057
01:40:23,210 --> 01:40:20,640
they don't dwell on the subject no they

2058
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:23,220
just think daddy's crazy yeah something

2059
01:40:32,900 --> 01:40:29,960
you don't sound crazy to me I mean you

2060
01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:32,910
sound actually quite quite sane

2061
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:36,030
well thank you in in rather objective

2062
01:40:39,860 --> 01:40:38,040
and circumspect about some pretty

2063
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:39,870
bizarre experiences that you've had I

2064
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,930
mean being in charge of you know a

2065
01:40:48,530 --> 01:40:44,880
missile facility like that and having an

2066
01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:48,540
experience like that occur would would

2067
01:40:55,070 --> 01:40:50,820
be very disconcerting if I was in your

2068
01:40:58,130 --> 01:40:55,080
shoes and you know to read your book and

2069
01:41:03,350 --> 01:40:58,140
of course Robert Hastings book UFOs and

2070
01:41:05,210 --> 01:41:03,360
nukes it's it's rather troubling how

2071
01:41:08,690 --> 01:41:05,220
many of these types of experiences have

2072
01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:08,700
happened and now to find out that that

2073
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:11,550
you've also had some sort of visitation

2074
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:13,310
experience with an abduction experience

2075
01:41:18,050 --> 01:41:16,620
it's you got a you know as being a

2076
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:18,060
pretty down-to-earth guy you got to kind

2077
01:41:22,450 --> 01:41:19,770
of scratch your head and wonder why me

2078
01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:22,460
but why do you think that you've been

2079
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,780
put in the position that you have is

2080
01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:26,280
there any any sort of rhyme or reason

2081
01:41:33,110 --> 01:41:30,240
that you can ascertain you know I I

2082
01:41:37,790 --> 01:41:33,120
cannot answer that directly of course so

2083
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:37,800
all I could speculate this is just pure

2084
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:40,860
speculation and that is because I had

2085
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:53,320
it's possible that what they took me to

2086
01:42:01,390 --> 01:41:57,610
probably possibly give me some sort of

2087
01:42:03,710 --> 01:42:01,400
direction to speak out about that

2088
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:03,720
remember when I had my incident I had

2089
01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:08,040
gone public and right this was you said

2090
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:10,980
eighty five correct yeah this was 85 how

2091
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:14,790
old were you at the time oh no we're

2092
01:42:20,210 --> 01:42:18,000
going to talk about it because the

2093
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:20,220
reason why I ask is because normally

2094
01:42:25,130 --> 01:42:22,830
after about age 35 abduction experiences

2095
01:42:29,210 --> 01:42:25,140
tend to be fairly few and far between in

2096
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:29,220
the in the data logs there it's mostly

2097
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:32,310
younger people you know below the age of

2098
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:33,840
30 well actually

2099
01:42:39,980 --> 01:42:38,100
well 1985 was well into my 40s write it

2100
01:42:41,630 --> 01:42:39,990
that way that's why I asked because this

2101
01:42:45,380 --> 01:42:41,640
is we're rather unusual for a

2102
01:42:47,660 --> 01:42:45,390
middle-aged person to have this type of

2103
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:47,670
experience unless it was part of an

2104
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:49,770
ongoing pattern of experiences that you

2105
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:51,090
may not be aware of but you have you

2106
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:52,860
ever looked into that possibility that's

2107
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:53,400
true

2108
01:42:57,850 --> 01:42:55,470
you know I there may have been other

2109
01:43:02,180 --> 01:42:57,860
experiences that I'm just not aware of

2110
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:02,190
like I said I haven't really tried to go

2111
01:43:12,740 --> 01:43:06,800
into this deeper other than those for

2112
01:43:15,110 --> 01:43:12,750
therapy sessions I had so you know at

2113
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,120
this point I'm not sure I need to go and

2114
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:17,280
do it much deeper I'm I'm convinced that

2115
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:22,320
I was taken now a lot of and now if we

2116
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:24,570
talk in generalities about people that

2117
01:43:30,590 --> 01:43:27,330
have been abducted a lot of new come

2118
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:30,600
back with let's say either enhanced

2119
01:43:39,620 --> 01:43:35,280
abilities of some sort or I'm talking

2120
01:43:44,780 --> 01:43:39,630
psychic abilities maybe or or some sort

2121
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:44,790
of commitment to a mission and so you

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know for example in my case I'm

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certainly committed to the abolishment

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of nuclear weapons I try to talk about

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that often we're going to stop for a

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here's Jean Steinberg with Jean and

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Chris we've got Robert Salas author of

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unidentified the UFO phenomenon and as

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we're learning here and maybe you

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01:48:11,690 --> 01:48:08,970
listeners didn't know he's also an

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01:48:13,940 --> 01:48:11,700
experiencer lots more questions there

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well we have a question from Paul to

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worst and he's familiar with Clifford

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stones book which I believe you wrote

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01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:20,640
the foreword to and he says quite

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01:48:25,490 --> 01:48:23,610
honestly he doesn't see Clifford stone

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01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:25,500
is being very credible and he thinks

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01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:27,810
that it's actually disc is work is

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discrediting serious serious UFO

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research and he's even asking you know

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01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:36,000
wondering out loud if he could be a

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01:48:40,130 --> 01:48:37,770
disinformation agent what do you what do

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you think of Clifford stones claims and

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in his work excuse me I've known

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Clifford for some time

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of course I've talked to him personally

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01:48:53,450 --> 01:48:49,620
many times I believe him I believe he

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01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:53,460
was part of a recovery team now does he

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01:49:00,380 --> 01:48:56,430
have solid evidence to support that I

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01:49:03,020 --> 01:49:00,390
don't think he does but I'll look at it

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01:49:06,370 --> 01:49:03,030
this way certainly and this is the way I

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01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:06,380
look at anything people come to me with

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01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:09,960
any kind of stories related to this

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01:49:18,140 --> 01:49:14,340
subject I used to kind of be dismissive

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01:49:21,860 --> 01:49:18,150
a lot of these things that I heard but

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over the years you know I've come to the

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01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:26,210
conclusion that this phenomenon is so

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01:49:33,110 --> 01:49:29,610
strange and there's so many aspects to

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it that I don't discount anything I hear

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out of hand and the same with Clifford

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it makes a lot of sense to me that that

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01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:41,460
there would be recovery teams there have

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01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:44,130
been recovery teams because a craft I'm

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convinced have been recovered by our

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01:49:52,850 --> 01:49:48,960
government and others and like I said

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I've I've got a fairly close

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01:49:56,740 --> 01:49:56,010
relationship with Clifford so and this

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is strictly

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my opinion that he is he is credible and

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is telling the truth yeah I've just

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never been able to get my head around

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the fact that these things crash with

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the exalted technology that they are

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obviously are employing I mean we're

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talking about many times the level of

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sophistication of our capabilities in

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01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:22,040
terms of aerial maneuvering that sort of

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thing and for them to crash it just

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01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,130
something about that just doesn't that

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01:50:32,530 --> 01:50:30,080
doesn't make sense why would they come

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all this way and then and allow

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something like our heroes if some people

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have said radar for instance I'm right

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down the the Roswell object it just I

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don't know I just have a hard time with

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that in so you think that these things

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do we teen Lee crash and that Autobot

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routinely but of course we've been

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01:50:59,320 --> 01:50:56,000
flying aircraft or how long many many

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years and we still have aircraft crashes

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we still have instance yeah so I I don't

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know we anything mechanical of course we

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know can fail and we don't know what

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kind of effective countermeasures are

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01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:14,660
our military has developed against these

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01:51:19,980 --> 01:51:16,610
crafts we don't know how they operate

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01:51:23,130 --> 01:51:19,990
them effective countermeasures you know

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yeah that's a good point actually

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01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:26,300
well well how do you separate the wheat

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01:51:32,530 --> 01:51:28,610
from the Chaffin in this field obviously

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01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:32,540
there's a lot of you know what I want to

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01:51:36,970 --> 01:51:34,250
believe sort of energy out there there's

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01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:36,980
a lot of people that really suspend

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their disbelief when it comes to some of

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01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,200
the more outlandish stories that are out

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there and then in Clifford stone is not

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01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:47,060
one of those I think I think that there

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01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:49,370
is you know obviously enough

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01:51:54,190 --> 01:51:50,930
believability there for someone like

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01:51:56,410 --> 01:51:54,200
yourself to to to think that he's he's

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01:51:58,300 --> 01:51:56,420
you know on the level but how about all

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01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,310
the other things that you see on the

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01:52:02,830 --> 01:52:00,800
internet do you think that some of this

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01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:02,840
stuff is actually planned disinformation

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01:52:08,740 --> 01:52:05,690
that there's some sort of organization

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01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:08,750
or individuals that are muddy in the

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01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:09,810
waters

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01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:11,850
as part of some overall agenda or do you

2315
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:13,170
think this is just a lot of people that

2316
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:15,330
want are just spouting off ridiculous

2317
01:52:20,810 --> 01:52:18,240
things just to hear themself chuckle

2318
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:20,820
over people believe in them yeah

2319
01:52:30,460 --> 01:52:23,490
probably both certainly there's a

2320
01:52:39,310 --> 01:52:33,830
shown during the Robertson panel hearing

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01:52:42,170 --> 01:52:39,320
uh 1953 this was a CIA organized hearing

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01:52:45,140 --> 01:52:42,180
where they decided that yes indeed we

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ought to have a disinformation effort

2324
01:52:50,570 --> 01:52:48,930
going to ridicule this whole subject and

2325
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:50,580
that that's been pretty effective I

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01:52:57,170 --> 01:52:53,610
think like you say a lot of people

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01:52:59,660 --> 01:52:57,180
discount a lot of these stories because

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01:53:02,140 --> 01:52:59,670
they sound so outlandish and so simply

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01:53:04,970 --> 01:53:02,150
out of this world

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01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:04,980
that they're unbelievable at least to

2331
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:10,530
them so if the what I call a UFO cabal

2332
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:15,330
the people holding the secrets can keep

2333
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:20,130
this issue as one to be laughed at or

2334
01:53:24,650 --> 01:53:22,050
not taken seriously at least by the

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01:53:28,810 --> 01:53:24,660
mainstream media then they have

2336
01:53:32,210 --> 01:53:28,820
succeeded in again keeping the secrets

2337
01:53:35,450 --> 01:53:32,220
well well hidden from the public as a

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01:53:37,310 --> 01:53:35,460
whole Robert let me ask you here if

2339
01:53:39,230 --> 01:53:37,320
they're keeping the secret they know

2340
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:39,240
that UFOs are real possibly

2341
01:53:44,330 --> 01:53:41,850
extraterrestrial are they aware of

2342
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:44,340
abductions are these abductions being

2343
01:53:50,330 --> 01:53:46,610
done with someone's tacit approval or

2344
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:50,340
direct approval oh I couldn't possibly

2345
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:52,410
answer that I have no way of knowing

2346
01:54:00,140 --> 01:53:55,410
I've heard the stories about military

2347
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:00,150
abductions or mill labs but I have no

2348
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:01,770
way of knowing whether our our own

2349
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:05,010
people our own military or intelligence

2350
01:54:11,900 --> 01:54:08,370
people are in cahoots with the

2351
01:54:14,690 --> 01:54:11,910
extraterrestrials on abductions to me

2352
01:54:16,220 --> 01:54:14,700
that's just pure speculation Steven

2353
01:54:18,740 --> 01:54:16,230
Greer blames the military for all

2354
01:54:20,900 --> 01:54:18,750
abductions if you can believe that

2355
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,910
in switching gears here a little bit you

2356
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:22,080
know you brought up a very interesting

2357
01:54:29,650 --> 01:54:25,890
point in your new book unidentified the

2358
01:54:32,479 --> 01:54:29,660
awful phenomenon and this has to do with

2359
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:32,489
classification and secrecy in in this

2360
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:35,850
country and in here you've quote some

2361
01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:39,870
pretty mind-numbing statistics first of

2362
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,920
all there's two point four million

2363
01:54:45,709 --> 01:54:42,960
Defense Department civilian military and

2364
01:54:49,010 --> 01:54:45,719
contracting personnel that are holding

2365
01:54:51,709 --> 01:54:49,020
security in secrecy clearances at

2366
01:54:55,580 --> 01:54:51,719
various levels and you also make the

2367
01:54:57,170 --> 01:54:55,590
statement that in the 2010 report to the

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01:54:59,090 --> 01:54:57,180
president it is stated that there's

2369
01:55:02,479 --> 01:54:59,100
there were seventy six point eight

2370
01:55:05,209 --> 01:55:02,489
million classification decisions which

2371
01:55:08,510 --> 01:55:05,219
were a 40 percent increase over the

2372
01:55:10,820 --> 01:55:08,520
prior year in 2009 and that the cost of

2373
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:10,830
this security classification activity

2374
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:13,770
alone cost the executive branch ten

2375
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:17,670
point two billion dollars in 2010 this

2376
01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:22,250
is a lot of secrecy for a president that

2377
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:25,110
espoused this whole idea of increased

2378
01:55:32,090 --> 01:55:30,270
transparency government well why don't

2379
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:32,100
you dive into this one a little bit here

2380
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:34,530
and you know the whole thing about

2381
01:55:39,950 --> 01:55:37,050
classified information and and who has

2382
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:39,960
it and how can we hold all all these

2383
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:41,390
things secret by so many people

2384
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:44,100
obviously it's compartmentalized but but

2385
01:55:47,870 --> 01:55:46,290
what are your feelings about this it's

2386
01:55:52,430 --> 01:55:47,880
one of the worst things about our

2387
01:55:54,939 --> 01:55:52,440
government I think this is another major

2388
01:55:58,910 --> 01:55:54,949
issue with me and that's the excessive

2389
01:56:03,140 --> 01:55:58,920
excessive secrecy in government across

2390
01:56:05,780 --> 01:56:03,150
all just about all agencies every agency

2391
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:05,790
has the ability to the classify

2392
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:08,610
information the information I quote in

2393
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:13,170
there comes from I think it's an annual

2394
01:56:21,229 --> 01:56:16,560
report to the office executive office on

2395
01:56:23,479 --> 01:56:21,239
on secrecy's so these are actual

2396
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:23,489
statistics that I took right from this

2397
01:56:34,510 --> 01:56:31,070
government report what the

2398
01:56:39,190 --> 01:56:34,520
it's happening is because of the extreme

2399
01:56:45,130 --> 01:56:39,200
secrecy and the ability of so many

2400
01:56:47,650 --> 01:56:45,140
people to classify information it's hard

2401
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:47,660
for the public to make a direct

2402
01:56:52,540 --> 01:56:50,080
connection with their government really

2403
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:52,550
because so much is being withheld from

2404
01:57:00,460 --> 01:56:56,650
them we don't know what the facts are

2405
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:00,470
about many many subjects including the

2406
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:05,410
UFO subject and so how are we going to

2407
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:08,570
you know have a decent democracy and

2408
01:57:17,050 --> 01:57:10,970
interact with our government that's the

2409
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:17,060
main issue the public cannot act as they

2410
01:57:22,270 --> 01:57:19,210
should be in a democracy and in

2411
01:57:24,670 --> 01:57:22,280
monitoring their own government with all

2412
01:57:26,650 --> 01:57:24,680
this secrecy so that's that's the main

2413
01:57:28,750 --> 01:57:26,660
issue I think we'll talk more about

2414
01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:28,760
government secrecy with Robert Salas and

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government secrecy is the government

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have guilty knowledge about the origin

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02:02:10,060 --> 02:02:06,739
of UFOs are they in touch with et now in

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02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:10,070
terms of important issues obviously UFOs

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02:02:14,439 --> 02:02:12,170
if they are what some people many people

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02:02:16,270 --> 02:02:14,449
think they are one of the most important

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02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:16,280
stories of the ages but Robert Salas

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02:02:20,850 --> 02:02:18,560
what else might the government be

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02:02:27,490 --> 02:02:20,860
withholding from us that's important

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02:02:30,220 --> 02:02:27,500
well I'm I'm more concerned with the

2511
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:30,230
secret group and what and what exactly

2512
02:02:37,810 --> 02:02:32,480
they know about this phenomenon like I

2513
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:37,820
said we're talking about the type of

2514
02:02:46,089 --> 02:02:40,719
propulsion system that these objects use

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02:02:49,629 --> 02:02:46,099
where they draw their energy how are

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02:02:54,010 --> 02:02:49,639
they able to cloak the craft or to make

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02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:54,020
them disappear of people and can walk

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02:03:01,950 --> 02:02:56,719
through windows for example I mean

2519
02:03:05,500 --> 02:03:01,960
there's a large number of secrets

2520
02:03:07,899 --> 02:03:05,510
involved in this complex phenomenon now

2521
02:03:10,959 --> 02:03:07,909
how much does our government know how

2522
02:03:15,209 --> 02:03:10,969
are these secrets being shared with

2523
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:15,219
other countries if they are what kind of

2524
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:18,110
backdoor deals or you know backroom

2525
02:03:23,530 --> 02:03:21,110
deals are going on in with the exchange

2526
02:03:26,490 --> 02:03:23,540
of this information to me this is this

2527
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:26,500
is a direct threat to our democracy

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02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:29,810
because we've got a secret government

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02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:32,270
within our government now in terms of

2530
02:03:36,510 --> 02:03:33,920
government secrecy we've been talking

2531
02:03:40,629 --> 02:03:36,520
about that with regard to UFOs since the

2532
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:40,639
1950s we all grew up in the crazy 1950s

2533
02:03:44,570 --> 02:03:43,130
and we had Donald Kehoe who was talking

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02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:44,580
about

2535
02:03:52,810 --> 02:03:48,650
all this sort of thing right alright so

2536
02:03:56,630 --> 02:03:52,820
at this point the secrets been held for

2537
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:56,640
sixty years or more it's been kept for

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02:04:00,830 --> 02:03:58,560
the secrets possibly being kept in

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02:04:04,010 --> 02:04:00,840
concert with all or most other

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02:04:06,830 --> 02:04:04,020
governments on earth so with that

2541
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:06,840
intense effort how do you break through

2542
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:08,490
is there a possibility of breaking

2543
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:12,690
through well I think one of the ways is

2544
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:16,170
to encourage more people to come forward

2545
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:19,530
with their stories you know that we had

2546
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:22,530
the citizens hearing on disclosure and

2547
02:04:29,630 --> 02:04:25,170
as a result of my participation in that

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02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:29,640
I got two or three more people to come

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02:04:35,390 --> 02:04:32,250
forward with with their stories and and

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02:04:37,700 --> 02:04:35,400
actually talk about them publicly for

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02:04:39,050 --> 02:04:37,710
the first time now one of the more

2552
02:04:41,240 --> 02:04:39,060
impressive parts of that entire

2553
02:04:44,030 --> 02:04:41,250
proceeding by the way and I do salute

2554
02:04:47,390 --> 02:04:44,040
you on on really bringing some gravitas

2555
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:47,400
to that thing that was one of my

2556
02:04:51,410 --> 02:04:49,050
favorite moments during the entire five

2557
02:04:53,660 --> 02:04:51,420
days when you used after with those

2558
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:53,670
gentlemen and I think pretty much blew

2559
02:04:59,960 --> 02:04:55,410
everybody's minds with the information

2560
02:05:04,760 --> 02:04:59,970
that was relayed yeah so I thank you for

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02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:04,770
that Chris I think more people will come

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02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:09,570
forward in the future hopefully and and

2563
02:05:17,180 --> 02:05:11,610
I think the ETS will do their part of

2564
02:05:21,110 --> 02:05:17,190
showing up more often and and possibly

2565
02:05:23,540 --> 02:05:21,120
you know the the bulk of this or the the

2566
02:05:27,410 --> 02:05:23,550
mass of this of these stories will

2567
02:05:29,780 --> 02:05:27,420
eventually have an impact on on the

2568
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:29,790
public so we'll start more people to

2569
02:05:35,870 --> 02:05:33,300
start demanding the truth about this but

2570
02:05:36,500 --> 02:05:35,880
60 years for heaven's sake now when does

2571
02:05:41,180 --> 02:05:36,510
it run again

2572
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:41,190
yes we believe the government after

2573
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:43,890
lying for so many decades well like I

2574
02:05:48,350 --> 02:05:46,320
said I even if the government did admit

2575
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:48,360
the the reality of this phenomena we

2576
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:50,490
wouldn't get the full story I'm

2577
02:05:56,860 --> 02:05:53,870
convinced of that but

2578
02:06:03,100 --> 02:05:56,870
I call me crazy but I still have hope

2579
02:06:07,650 --> 02:06:03,110
that eventually the mass of good stories

2580
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:07,660
and and information from the public

2581
02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:11,210
coming forward but these things will

2582
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:15,260
eventually affect our governments to to

2583
02:06:21,580 --> 02:06:18,560
mess up a nice landing on the White

2584
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:21,590
House lawn or in Red Square get your

2585
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,320
help that would help well that also

2586
02:06:30,970 --> 02:06:26,960
raises that question here too and that

2587
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:30,980
is that UFOs have been here decades

2588
02:06:36,070 --> 02:06:34,010
centuries many centuries wouldn't you

2589
02:06:38,710 --> 02:06:36,080
think if they really intended to have

2590
02:06:42,010 --> 02:06:38,720
themselves known to everybody they'd

2591
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:42,020
have taken that step by now well I think

2592
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:44,000
they've already gone through the process

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02:06:50,410 --> 02:06:47,450
of telling the world that they're here

2594
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:50,420
like I said we have I think many of the

2595
02:06:58,810 --> 02:06:55,070
crop circles are real UFO crop circles

2596
02:07:02,640 --> 02:06:58,820
we have abductee experiences we have

2597
02:07:05,979 --> 02:07:02,650
other many other incidents observations

2598
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:05,989
so they have have done their best to at

2599
02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:08,510
least alert the public that they're

2600
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:12,830
around now do they want to get much

2601
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:16,210
closer with us probably not because of

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02:07:24,100 --> 02:07:19,970
our history you know how we react when

2603
02:07:27,070 --> 02:07:24,110
we meet a new civilization we you know

2604
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:27,080
we humans try to take advantage as much

2605
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:29,570
as we can of others that's been our

2606
02:07:35,620 --> 02:07:32,090
history and I don't know that they want

2607
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:35,630
to involve themselves with us that

2608
02:07:41,890 --> 02:07:39,890
closely yet hopefully we will evolve to

2609
02:07:45,550 --> 02:07:41,900
the point where we won't be so warlike

2610
02:07:50,190 --> 02:07:45,560
and we could be we can integrate easier

2611
02:07:53,610 --> 02:07:50,200
with with let's say the Galactic

2612
02:07:55,630 --> 02:07:53,620
Civilizations so you believe there's a

2613
02:07:58,000 --> 02:07:55,640
confederation of some kind with

2614
02:07:59,620 --> 02:07:58,010
peace-loving planets participating and

2615
02:08:04,060 --> 02:07:59,630
we're only waiting for us to advance

2616
02:08:06,010 --> 02:08:04,070
before they say hey come aboard I don't

2617
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:06,020
know if I'd say all that but I do think

2618
02:08:13,729 --> 02:08:07,040
there

2619
02:08:18,129 --> 02:08:13,739
probably many different types and they

2620
02:08:24,410 --> 02:08:18,139
probably would like to see us evolve

2621
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:24,420
more before they try to let's say land

2622
02:08:29,540 --> 02:08:27,210
on the White House lawn yes but if et is

2623
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:29,550
so nice and wonderful why are they

2624
02:08:34,220 --> 02:08:32,310
abducting so many people I mean they

2625
02:08:36,410 --> 02:08:34,230
kidnapped you they took you out of your

2626
02:08:38,479 --> 02:08:36,420
bed they took you through the window

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02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:38,489
they started performing painful

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02:08:43,790 --> 02:08:41,119
experiments on you that's not very nice

2629
02:08:45,709 --> 02:08:43,800
though from my perspective that was not

2630
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:45,719
very nice and I'm sure most abductees

2631
02:08:50,660 --> 02:08:48,719
would agree that that's not nice however

2632
02:08:53,330 --> 02:08:50,670
it sounds like a level of technology

2633
02:08:56,020 --> 02:08:53,340
that's even behind ours it's part of

2634
02:08:58,339 --> 02:08:56,030
that it doesn't make sense to me I'm

2635
02:09:00,319 --> 02:08:58,349
taking scoop marks and stuff all you

2636
02:09:02,750 --> 02:09:00,329
need to do is get a slight you know

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02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:02,760
cheek swab to get some DNA evidence or

2638
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:05,760
some sort of genetic material or it's

2639
02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:08,159
just the level of Technology it seems

2640
02:09:14,419 --> 02:09:11,940
medieval and and even the behind hours

2641
02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:14,429
well like I said there's a lot we don't

2642
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:16,170
understand as to why they're doing

2643
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:19,050
things and how they're doing things I I

2644
02:09:24,770 --> 02:09:21,840
sure couldn't explain it to you but they

2645
02:09:27,770 --> 02:09:24,780
are interacting you know I'd say point

2646
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:27,780
out in my book I think the statistics

2647
02:09:35,810 --> 02:09:33,300
from dr. gene and dr. John Mac and but

2648
02:09:38,330 --> 02:09:35,820
Hopkins state that there were there

2649
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:38,340
probably been millions of people that

2650
02:09:44,660 --> 02:09:42,150
have been taken in this way and so they

2651
02:09:47,839 --> 02:09:44,670
are definitely interacting with humans

2652
02:09:50,510 --> 02:09:47,849
in a very personal close way well

2653
02:09:51,830 --> 02:09:50,520
obviously not a very pleasant way but do

2654
02:09:54,350 --> 02:09:51,840
you really believe that number I know

2655
02:09:57,319 --> 02:09:54,360
it's been bandied about over the years

2656
02:09:59,660 --> 02:09:57,329
you believe that many people around the

2657
02:10:01,729 --> 02:09:59,670
world or is it possible at all and we

2658
02:10:04,700 --> 02:10:01,739
can get into this more as we get more

2659
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philosophical on the show that what you

2660
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:08,400
are remembering is not quite the way the

2661
02:10:12,770 --> 02:10:10,170
experience really was but you're

2662
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remembering it in a way that is either

2663
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intentional or part of the case part of

2664
02:10:19,290 --> 02:10:17,520
what's being done we got more to talk

2665
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about with Robert Salas

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so we're giving a give you something

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wacky here Robert Salas to think about

2767
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okay book was unidentified the UFO

2768
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phenomenon and that is you remember a

2769
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very literal experience with ET you're

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taken aboard the craft you're subjected

2771
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to sometimes painful experimentation

2772
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this is a very common abduction

2773
02:15:21,110 --> 02:15:18,390
experience but do you ever consider that

2774
02:15:24,110 --> 02:15:21,120
maybe what you remember what was brought

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out under hypnosis it's not what really

2776
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happened but might itself be some kind

2777
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of cover story to shield the real event

2778
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possible certainly it's possible that

2779
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what I recall happened didn't happen the

2780
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way I think it happened like I said the

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other thought was very complex I know a

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lot of abductees have trouble recalling

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things and they don't recall for for a

2784
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long long time and it takes time to

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retrieve these memories and there are

2786
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screen memories I guess you could call

2787
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them that have been reported for example

2788
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people have thought they saw owls or

2789
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other other creatures which were really

2790
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the extraterrestrials themselves that

2791
02:16:21,020 --> 02:16:18,390
were you know masking what they really

2792
02:16:24,620 --> 02:16:21,030
looked like so certainly that it's

2793
02:16:28,630 --> 02:16:24,630
possible that other things happen but

2794
02:16:33,980 --> 02:16:28,640
that I recall something else happening

2795
02:16:36,620 --> 02:16:33,990
but all I can do is go by what you know

2796
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:36,630
what I think happened but yeah you have

2797
02:16:45,290 --> 02:16:40,610
a good point it's very possible that the

2798
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reality is different from oh what do you

2799
02:16:49,850 --> 02:16:47,460
think we also have to look at

2800
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motivations here even if ET wants to get

2801
02:16:54,410 --> 02:16:52,590
the genetic samples they don't need to

2802
02:16:57,950 --> 02:16:54,420
talk millions of people they need to

2803
02:17:00,350 --> 02:16:57,960
abduct a few samples of each race and

2804
02:17:02,690 --> 02:17:00,360
gender different age groups things like

2805
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:02,700
that they don't need to abduct millions

2806
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:04,530
of people that's the thing that always

2807
02:17:09,290 --> 02:17:06,960
bothered me about the claims that that's

2808
02:17:10,550 --> 02:17:09,300
part of it what about dr. Jacobs and his

2809
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belief in

2810
02:17:16,570 --> 02:17:12,870
the possibility that ET wants to create

2811
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:16,580
a hybrid race human-alien well of course

2812
02:17:22,910 --> 02:17:20,880
that's another possibility and again

2813
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:22,920
I'll go back to what I said before I've

2814
02:17:26,900 --> 02:17:24,810
I'm not gonna discount these

2815
02:17:31,130 --> 02:17:26,910
possibilities but they're all

2816
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:31,140
speculative ideas we don't have good

2817
02:17:37,330 --> 02:17:34,290
hard evidence that of what is truly

2818
02:17:40,990 --> 02:17:37,340
going on as you as you just pointed out

2819
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:41,000
but even if we don't believe the Million

2820
02:17:46,610 --> 02:17:44,010
number even if it's hundreds or

2821
02:17:49,780 --> 02:17:46,620
thousands there's still a lot of people

2822
02:17:54,200 --> 02:17:49,790
that have been taken in this way and

2823
02:17:59,150 --> 02:17:54,210
certainly many of them report things

2824
02:18:03,050 --> 02:17:59,160
being done with of DNA nature or sexual

2825
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:03,060
nature were in other words taking semen

2826
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:06,810
or ovaries and producing hybrid children

2827
02:18:13,670 --> 02:18:09,450
hybrid children have been reported by

2828
02:18:17,950 --> 02:18:13,680
many many abductees so that may be

2829
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:17,960
indeed something that's going on why

2830
02:18:24,740 --> 02:18:21,690
again a subject to speculation all right

2831
02:18:26,330 --> 02:18:24,750
I still wonder about why you'd need to

2832
02:18:28,370 --> 02:18:26,340
abduct millions of people to create a

2833
02:18:30,170 --> 02:18:28,380
hybrid race I would think again few

2834
02:18:32,450 --> 02:18:30,180
dozen samples would do but let's just

2835
02:18:33,620 --> 02:18:32,460
move on from there and return to

2836
02:18:35,930 --> 02:18:33,630
disclosure all right

2837
02:18:38,210 --> 02:18:35,940
we took an excursion into abductions

2838
02:18:41,090 --> 02:18:38,220
let's get back to the disclosure

2839
02:18:44,600 --> 02:18:41,100
scenario so after all these years how

2840
02:18:50,330 --> 02:18:44,610
does one persuade any government to tell

2841
02:18:52,250 --> 02:18:50,340
us what they know okay we're but let us

2842
02:18:55,610 --> 02:18:52,260
talk about the agencies is a cabal

2843
02:18:58,370 --> 02:18:55,620
there's a the mechanism of the secrecy

2844
02:19:00,920 --> 02:18:58,380
that we've gone into quite a bit already

2845
02:19:02,570 --> 02:19:00,930
but it's been labeled by many different

2846
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:02,580
people in many different ways so for

2847
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:05,010
example we have Keough talked about the

2848
02:19:14,540 --> 02:19:08,010
silence group the Cabal why they like

2849
02:19:18,860 --> 02:19:14,550
right well we again thinking linearly if

2850
02:19:23,650 --> 02:19:18,870
we we have this experience is phenomenon

2851
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:23,660
and certainly our government

2852
02:19:31,810 --> 02:19:28,010
you believe Roswell started covering

2853
02:19:34,209 --> 02:19:31,820
this up then there would have been a

2854
02:19:35,709 --> 02:19:34,219
reason that you know if they recovered

2855
02:19:38,890 --> 02:19:35,719
craft especially they would have tried

2856
02:19:43,180 --> 02:19:38,900
to back engineer so yeah I think the

2857
02:19:46,380 --> 02:19:43,190
cabel's cabal probably started at least

2858
02:19:49,450 --> 02:19:46,390
around 1947 during the Roswell incident

2859
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:49,460
and so what are they doing what are they

2860
02:19:54,220 --> 02:19:51,170
doing well what are they up to and they

2861
02:19:57,330 --> 02:19:54,230
would more than likely collect as much

2862
02:20:00,761 --> 02:19:57,340
data as they could from witnesses

2863
02:20:05,980 --> 02:20:00,771
throughout you know the time period

2864
02:20:09,790 --> 02:20:05,990
since then of these cases they would try

2865
02:20:12,700 --> 02:20:09,800
to analyze the technology and possibly

2866
02:20:17,310 --> 02:20:12,710
utilize the technology so we have done

2867
02:20:20,290 --> 02:20:17,320
in my book is is tried to put together a

2868
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:20,300
rudimentary structure for such a cabal

2869
02:20:26,980 --> 02:20:23,120
and some of the activities they would be

2870
02:20:29,140 --> 02:20:26,990
involved in and you do a very good job

2871
02:20:31,511 --> 02:20:29,150
of that by the way I was impressed at

2872
02:20:34,301 --> 02:20:31,521
the logical progression of your thinking

2873
02:20:38,051 --> 02:20:34,311
and and it does make sense the way you

2874
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:38,061
lay it out very systematically that's

2875
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:40,580
what I was trying to do I'm still trying

2876
02:20:46,301 --> 02:20:43,130
to struggle with how all this works

2877
02:20:48,551 --> 02:20:46,311
together but certainly our intelligence

2878
02:20:51,430 --> 02:20:48,561
agencies have the experience to do this

2879
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:51,440
and they've you know they've done it for

2880
02:20:56,740 --> 02:20:54,290
a long time in fact you know that there

2881
02:21:02,140 --> 02:20:56,750
during World War 2 they held the atomic

2882
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:02,150
secrets pretty well until the end but so

2883
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:05,330
there they have had some experience with

2884
02:21:12,370 --> 02:21:08,450
developing a secretive organization like

2885
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:12,380
this with a lot of people involved how

2886
02:21:18,100 --> 02:21:15,530
does it survive generations of military

2887
02:21:20,170 --> 02:21:18,110
commanders how does it survive multiple

2888
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:20,180
administration's of different political

2889
02:21:30,131 --> 02:21:25,040
parties well again these people are

2890
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:30,141
probably hand selected by the people in

2891
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:32,030
charge right now and

2892
02:21:37,660 --> 02:21:35,930
and maybe people that would be involved

2893
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:37,670
in the future would would be hand

2894
02:21:45,790 --> 02:21:42,530
selected I think it's a it's possible

2895
02:21:49,810 --> 02:21:45,800
that they attempted to recruit me after

2896
02:21:51,610 --> 02:21:49,820
my incident in 1969 I think I cover this

2897
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:51,620
in there but if not I'll just tell this

2898
02:21:57,490 --> 02:21:56,210
story anyway 1969 I was sent them to

2899
02:22:00,010 --> 02:21:57,500
wright-patterson Air Force Base to

2900
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:00,020
finish up my master's degree in

2901
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:02,570
engineering which was unnecessary

2902
02:22:07,740 --> 02:22:04,370
because I could have finished it in

2903
02:22:10,300 --> 02:22:07,750
Montana but anyway I was ordered of

2904
02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:10,310
wright-patterson Air Force Base and this

2905
02:22:15,310 --> 02:22:13,150
was about the time that the Air Force

2906
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:15,320
discontinued officially discontinued

2907
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:20,050
their investigations of UFOs but

2908
02:22:28,390 --> 02:22:24,290
obviously they continued to study the

2909
02:22:30,370 --> 02:22:28,400
this question in secrecy and probably

2910
02:22:33,010 --> 02:22:30,380
headquartered at wright-patterson Air

2911
02:22:36,490 --> 02:22:33,020
Force Base because that's where the Blue

2912
02:22:40,180 --> 02:22:36,500
Book office was well I was approached by

2913
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:40,190
one of my old classmates not long after

2914
02:22:44,770 --> 02:22:42,410
I got there they said we had a job for

2915
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:44,780
you and I said what do you mean I'm here

2916
02:22:51,490 --> 02:22:47,810
too just to finish my degree and then a

2917
02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:51,500
a wait reassignment said well what we'll

2918
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,330
talk later so within a week or two I get

2919
02:23:04,480 --> 02:22:58,880
a call from the base psychiatrist's

2920
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:04,490
office and he wants me to come and see

2921
02:23:12,550 --> 02:23:07,610
the base psychiatrist this is from one

2922
02:23:14,830 --> 02:23:12,560
of his orderlies I didn't have I had no

2923
02:23:17,770 --> 02:23:14,840
complaints about any mental problems or

2924
02:23:19,180 --> 02:23:17,780
anything like that but anyway I was

2925
02:23:21,570 --> 02:23:19,190
ordered so I went to the base that

2926
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:21,580
country so I would say it gave me the I

2927
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:25,010
asked find out why I was there and they

2928
02:23:30,430 --> 02:23:27,920
wouldn't tell me finally they they told

2929
02:23:32,770 --> 02:23:30,440
me to go see the basic address I

2930
02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:32,780
declined because I wanted this country

2931
02:23:37,450 --> 02:23:35,050
to tell me while I was there and then

2932
02:23:39,610 --> 02:23:37,460
they released me at that point as soon

2933
02:23:43,300 --> 02:23:39,620
as I declined to go in and talk to the

2934
02:23:48,190 --> 02:23:43,310
base psychiatrist if I had gone in the

2935
02:23:50,650 --> 02:23:48,200
I think they would have maybe gotten out

2936
02:23:54,090 --> 02:23:50,660
of me the the incident that I had about

2937
02:23:57,400 --> 02:23:54,100
strim and maybe got that on my record

2938
02:24:00,460 --> 02:23:57,410
and use that as a way of controlling me

2939
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:00,470
I think within the military so maybe you

2940
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:02,479
missed out on an opportunity that would

2941
02:24:06,820 --> 02:24:05,210
not if though very pleasant opportunity

2942
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,830
and they should feel happy it didn't

2943
02:24:10,780 --> 02:24:08,960
happen let me do our break here and then

2944
02:24:12,460 --> 02:24:10,790
we have a few more minutes you know the

2945
02:24:14,500 --> 02:24:12,470
next segment to kind of wrap things up

2946
02:24:17,530 --> 02:24:14,510
and then take it to the point of whether

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hi this is nuclear physicist lectures

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and in Friedman you are listening to the

3058
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gold standard the UFL cabal the silence

3059
02:29:04,581 --> 02:29:01,771
group whoever they are keeping the

3060
02:29:06,470 --> 02:29:04,591
secret of UFOs Robert Salas joins us the

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book where he talks about this is

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identified the UFO phenomenon Robert do

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you think the President of the United

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States when he takes office the first

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time is read in on what's going on no I

3066
02:29:22,581 --> 02:29:17,700
do not

3067
02:29:25,131 --> 02:29:22,591
I think the Cabal wants to keep this

3068
02:29:27,801 --> 02:29:25,141
from our president because of course our

3069
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presidents a political animal and they

3070
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come and go right this is the kind of

3071
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secret that they would want to maintain

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within a small compartmentalize group of

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people because they want to control the

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secret so no I don't think the president

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knows in fact you're probably aware of

3076
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,061
that Stephen Bassett submitted a request

3077
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to the Office of the President under a

3078
02:29:55,631 --> 02:29:52,110
program he had and asked about the UFO

3079
02:29:58,190 --> 02:29:55,641
question and reply official reply from

3080
02:30:02,291 --> 02:29:58,200
actually came from the Science and

3081
02:30:04,820 --> 02:30:02,301
Technology office of the president of

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low-level functionary or something a

3083
02:30:08,841 --> 02:30:07,561
low-grade kind of response which didn't

3084
02:30:12,531 --> 02:30:08,851
give it too much seriousness

3085
02:30:15,051 --> 02:30:12,541
no they just dismissed it out of hand so

3086
02:30:18,350 --> 02:30:15,061
I don't think our president knows about

3087
02:30:22,341 --> 02:30:18,360
it or I think like I said it's held

3088
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within a small tightly knit group you

3089
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wonder though something really happened

3090
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were it had to be revealed what would

3091
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they tell the president you know you

3092
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think of the the segment in an

3093
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independent state where the president is

3094
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being told finally they've got et on ice

3095
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at area 51 and they've got the wreckage

3096
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of a spacecraft why wasn't I told in the

3097
02:30:51,591 --> 02:30:47,580
only response by the Secretary of

3098
02:30:55,801 --> 02:30:51,601
Defense's plausible deniability

3099
02:30:57,900 --> 02:30:55,811
yeah and I'm sure they've already made

3100
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that those kind of comments to the

3101
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:00,570
president about a lot of other different

3102
02:31:06,900 --> 02:31:05,050
subjects that they're holding secret you

3103
02:31:09,301 --> 02:31:06,910
know you don't need to know the details

3104
02:31:11,730 --> 02:31:09,311
mr. president so you can deny it you

3105
02:31:14,940 --> 02:31:11,740
know that sort of thing we're probably a

3106
02:31:16,860 --> 02:31:14,950
lot of other facts that the CIA and

3107
02:31:19,620 --> 02:31:16,870
other intelligence agencies are holding

3108
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but what happens here if the president

3109
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goes rogue and says you know what you

3110
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have no business withholding this

3111
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information I'm gonna find out I'm going

3112
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to tell them what do they do

3113
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I'm sure they just laugh at him behind

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his back because what can the president

3115
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do really you're gonna you know charge

3116
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into the offices of the CIA and look

3117
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:41,530
through their files I don't think so I

3118
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think the CIA for example was a lot

3119
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smarter than that the information is

3120
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being tightly held and tightly

3121
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controlled he well you know we have

3122
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already Bill Clinton stating the right

3123
02:32:02,160 --> 02:31:57,700
asking web hubbell I want to find out

3124
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the answers to two things you see how

3125
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far he got well what they do is they

3126
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:06,430
signed up this intern named Monica

3127
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,290
Lewinsky to divert his attention that's

3128
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:12,880
a pretty interesting theory someone's

3129
02:32:16,620 --> 02:32:15,250
gonna write that down now you want to

3130
02:32:19,140 --> 02:32:16,630
describe the president what are you

3131
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:19,150
doing you take somebody who maybe has a

3132
02:32:25,730 --> 02:32:22,330
little bit of the tendency to go outside

3133
02:32:29,790 --> 02:32:25,740
of his marriage and you tempt him oh

3134
02:32:31,591 --> 02:32:29,800
yeah okay I don't know I don't but

3135
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:31,601
really let's go back to this because we

3136
02:32:36,420 --> 02:32:33,730
have maybe four or five minutes left

3137
02:32:38,310 --> 02:32:36,430
Robert is there a way then that we can

3138
02:32:40,051 --> 02:32:38,320
persuade the government to tell us what

3139
02:32:42,060 --> 02:32:40,061
it knows any government it goes back to

3140
02:32:44,360 --> 02:32:42,070
that and that's part of the original

3141
02:32:47,370 --> 02:32:44,370
focus of this that if we have

3142
02:32:49,761 --> 02:32:47,380
governments around the world working

3143
02:32:53,490 --> 02:32:49,771
with this cabal or maybe it has members

3144
02:32:56,131 --> 02:32:53,500
from agencies and different governments

3145
02:32:59,040 --> 02:32:56,141
how are they persuaded other than

3146
02:33:00,930 --> 02:32:59,050
external forces like a mast landing to

3147
02:33:03,450 --> 02:33:00,940
reveal what they know well I have a

3148
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dream house that first start

3149
02:33:12,020 --> 02:33:07,570
ah rabbit I have a dream I'm able

3150
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to walk into a senator's office or a

3151
02:33:17,640 --> 02:33:14,260
representatives office and say look

3152
02:33:20,340 --> 02:33:17,650
here's my story oh how about having a

3153
02:33:23,010 --> 02:33:20,350
congressional hearing about this whole

3154
02:33:24,740 --> 02:33:23,020
phenomena we've had that before back in

3155
02:33:30,660 --> 02:33:24,750
the 60s where the law

3156
02:33:35,070 --> 02:33:30,670
well yeah but I can I can point to again

3157
02:33:37,350 --> 02:33:35,080
in my book where that that was a that

3158
02:33:40,410 --> 02:33:37,360
was a whitewash that was instituted by

3159
02:33:43,620 --> 02:33:40,420
the air force and so we don't want that

3160
02:33:47,130 --> 02:33:43,630
again we don't want to have a secret or

3161
02:33:52,290 --> 02:33:47,140
a scientific study we want public

3162
02:33:55,290 --> 02:33:52,300
hearings on and bring witnesses forward

3163
02:33:57,719 --> 02:33:55,300
publicly to discuss this if we can get a

3164
02:34:00,810 --> 02:33:57,729
congressional hearing I think that would

3165
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,820
go a long way also there's a possibility

3166
02:34:05,030 --> 02:34:03,040
that we could bring this up in front of

3167
02:34:07,980 --> 02:34:05,040
the United Nations it only takes one

3168
02:34:11,250 --> 02:34:07,990
member state of the General Assembly to

3169
02:34:13,050 --> 02:34:11,260
bring the other subject of UFOs up is

3170
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:13,060
something that ought to be considered in

3171
02:34:20,010 --> 02:34:17,050
and that might go somewhere so there's

3172
02:34:23,370 --> 02:34:20,020
possibilities still I think yeah but the

3173
02:34:27,560 --> 02:34:23,380
UN how many nations even take it

3174
02:34:30,750 --> 02:34:27,570
seriously I think most polling says that

3175
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:30,760
half half those that are polled believe

3176
02:34:35,940 --> 02:34:33,850
this is a serious subject if you look at

3177
02:34:39,030 --> 02:34:35,950
the Gallup the latest Gallup polls on

3178
02:34:42,600 --> 02:34:39,040
the UFO question and you'll find it's

3179
02:34:44,850 --> 02:34:42,610
over 50% that's kind of been that way

3180
02:34:46,740 --> 02:34:44,860
for quite a while I know it can be a

3181
02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:46,750
third it can be a half it can be a

3182
02:34:50,550 --> 02:34:48,340
little over a half they've been taking

3183
02:34:52,469 --> 02:34:50,560
polls them by UN laws for a number of

3184
02:34:55,290 --> 02:34:52,479
decades yeah I thought it was actually

3185
02:34:56,880 --> 02:34:55,300
going down that the percentage kind of

3186
02:34:58,320 --> 02:34:56,890
hit a high towards the end of the 90s

3187
02:35:00,180 --> 02:34:58,330
and it's been declining ever since

3188
02:35:02,490 --> 02:35:00,190
you're thinking of the poll taken in

3189
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:02,500
concert with that old TV show chasing

3190
02:35:08,010 --> 02:35:06,490
UFOs yeah I don't know I think this was

3191
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,020
an average poll I've seen on the

3192
02:35:13,829 --> 02:35:11,520
internet over some number of years but

3193
02:35:16,260 --> 02:35:13,839
but I think

3194
02:35:18,510 --> 02:35:16,270
you know I don't know I think the

3195
02:35:21,630 --> 02:35:18,520
majority of people do believe that

3196
02:35:24,569 --> 02:35:21,640
there's something to this and so I don't

3197
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:24,579
think it would you know there could be a

3198
02:35:28,979 --> 02:35:26,319
movement started within the United

3199
02:35:31,739 --> 02:35:28,989
Nations haven't they tried that before

3200
02:35:33,329 --> 02:35:31,749
to do things through the UN tried it and

3201
02:35:35,069 --> 02:35:33,339
then we we ended up turning around

3202
02:35:37,559 --> 02:35:35,079
invading the country and deposing the

3203
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yeah but it never got it never got

3204
02:35:43,289 --> 02:35:40,749
before the UN they were they were going

3205
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:43,299
to do that but it never got there

3206
02:35:49,309 --> 02:35:44,890
because like you said there was a

3207
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turnover and the Grenada government I

3208
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you want to know what hey send the

3209
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troops in we have some college students

3210
02:36:06,239 --> 02:36:04,209
that are getting hangnails and it's all

3211
02:36:11,250 --> 02:36:06,249
the Grenadians fault that's let's go in

3212
02:36:15,149 --> 02:36:11,260
there come on guys well I don't know I

3213
02:36:18,059 --> 02:36:15,159
really think disclosure is a pipe dream

3214
02:36:19,949 --> 02:36:18,069
you know I shudder to think that the

3215
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:19,959
reason why this this information is

3216
02:36:24,599 --> 02:36:21,850
being kept secret is because the reality

3217
02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:24,609
of it is so so terrible and awful and

3218
02:36:31,199 --> 02:36:28,329
and terrifying that we're actually not

3219
02:36:33,269 --> 02:36:31,209
being told for our own good that's one

3220
02:36:35,699 --> 02:36:33,279
theory of course it's always raised its

3221
02:36:38,369 --> 02:36:35,709
head every few years that perhaps this

3222
02:36:41,340 --> 02:36:38,379
is all for the best that we don't know

3223
02:36:44,819 --> 02:36:41,350
that it that the truth could be too

3224
02:36:48,420 --> 02:36:44,829
terrifying no I still believe the truth

3225
02:36:51,329 --> 02:36:48,430
cannot be suppressed indefinitely I do

3226
02:36:54,449 --> 02:36:51,339
believe that so I'm gonna hang my head

3227
02:36:56,729 --> 02:36:54,459
on that well perhaps we can get together

3228
02:36:58,800 --> 02:36:56,739
a year or two from now and maybe things

3229
02:37:00,479 --> 02:36:58,810
will change we'll have to see Robert

3230
02:37:01,769 --> 02:37:00,489
Salas can you tell our listeners if

3231
02:37:04,019 --> 02:37:01,779
they're interested in knowing more about

3232
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:04,029
the things you do where can they check

3233
02:37:08,609 --> 02:37:05,520
you out

3234
02:37:11,599 --> 02:37:08,619
well of course I'm on Facebook but I've

3235
02:37:14,399 --> 02:37:11,609
got a website spiral galaxy dot orgy

3236
02:37:17,460 --> 02:37:14,409
I've also got a blog on there so if you

3237
02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:17,470
wanted to send me a message or you can

3238
02:37:21,899 --> 02:37:19,930
do it that way all right and you can

3239
02:37:23,260 --> 02:37:21,909
find us by the way at the power cast

3240
02:37:26,500 --> 02:37:23,270
comm that

3241
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,510
the para cast calm and by the way if you

3242
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:28,880
go there and you sign up for our weekly

3243
02:37:32,679 --> 02:37:31,130
newsletter the para cast newsletter what

3244
02:37:34,540 --> 02:37:32,689
else could we call it well I guess a few

3245
02:37:36,550 --> 02:37:34,550
things but that's what we call it we'll

3246
02:37:39,910 --> 02:37:36,560
give you a free copy of Chris O'Brien's

3247
02:37:42,189 --> 02:37:39,920
book secrets of the mysterious Valley

3248
02:37:44,769 --> 02:37:42,199
the eBook version sign up for the

3249
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,779
newsletter at the para cast comm within

3250
02:37:48,939 --> 02:37:46,399
a few days we'll send you the link to

3251
02:37:50,740 --> 02:37:48,949
download your copy of the e-book by the

3252
02:37:53,260 --> 02:37:50,750
way you can also find the power cast on

3253
02:37:55,899 --> 02:37:53,270
Facebook and on Twitter where we are

3254
02:37:58,120 --> 02:37:55,909
both known as the para cast Chris

3255
02:38:00,670 --> 02:37:58,130
O'Brien's site by the way is our strange

3256
02:38:03,219 --> 02:38:00,680
planet calm that's our strange planet

3257
02:38:06,189 --> 02:38:03,229
calm and he and his friend David Perkins

3258
02:38:09,849 --> 02:38:06,199
only recently put up a really compelling

3259
02:38:13,389 --> 02:38:09,859
story about new cattle mutilation

3260
02:38:17,529 --> 02:38:13,399
episode of course Chris's book is latest

3261
02:38:20,500 --> 02:38:17,539
one is stalking the herd and if you

3262
02:38:23,679 --> 02:38:20,510
order a copy from Chris's site he will

3263
02:38:25,689 --> 02:38:23,689
autograph it and he'll number it for you

3264
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:25,699
I didn't know we could count that high

3265
02:38:32,620 --> 02:38:28,250
it's gotta be millions now but never

3266
02:38:34,750 --> 02:38:32,630
number it is very special run of the

3267
02:38:37,210 --> 02:38:34,760
book that he sends out personally that's

3268
02:38:40,330 --> 02:38:37,220
how it goes Robert Salas author of

3269
02:38:42,580 --> 02:38:40,340
unidentified the UFO phenomenon thank

3270
02:38:54,430 --> 02:38:42,590
you sir for coming on the para cast this

3271
02:39:00,370 --> 02:38:57,460
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3272
02:39:03,330 --> 02:39:00,380
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3273
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:03,340
presentation of making the impossible

3274
02:39:13,290 --> 02:39:07,280
Incorporated tune in next week for a new